Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[dronefromsector7G]

You're thinking Greater Manchester probably.

Manchester is long not round too

moss side to moston is about 7 miles, but the width of the city of Manchester is very small. I'd say a 3 mile radius of Moss Side contains between 500k to 1m people

 

[Xiphos]

So I don't believe this and looked it up.

It's massively out of context. It's not a 3 mile radius of his house but a 3 mile radius of a mosque in Moss Side. This story is months old.

That 3 mile radius is essentially the whole of Manchester which contains over a million people in it. 16 people in that is not a lot. There's probably 500 nonces in the same radius for example.

And they haven't travelled and come back, they're dead or are overseas.

You had better get on your bat phone then and tell Enda Brady and Sky News to stop peddeling false news

 

[blueinsa]

3 more arrests in South Manchester just announced sky news

 

[mancityvstoke]

moss side to moston is about 7 miles, but the width of the city of Manchester is very small. I'd say a 3 mile radius of Moss Side contains between 500k to 1m people

yeah I'm about 4 miles from town

Wythenshawe is fucking miles away ....like you say Manchester is long and thin

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Amber Rudd has publicly criticised the Yanks for releasing the name of the bomber before GMP wanted to. They really are dickheads.

 

[inbetween]

The following article makes for grim reading as to the future of our society:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
Just to recap some salutary points:
- 33% of the Muslim community have sympathy for some acts of Islamic related terrorism.
- 23% want Sharia Law to be applied to the Muslim community.
- 100,000 agree with a 'radical' interprepretation of Islam. That's 3% of the Muslim community - not something to tar the whole Muslim community with but a significant amount nonetheless.

On the other hand.
- 80% of the Muslim community think this country is a great place to live with our societies tollarance.
- Many, many people in the Muslim community Are standing up to the forces of Radicalisation.

Personally I think some things need to change:
- First, it is not a radical interpretation of Islam it is Fascist. Religious based fascism rather than nationalist based but Fascism all the same. We must stop using the term Radical Islam. it needs to be replaced with the term Isamofascism at all levels. Radical implies some sort of caring, sharing people first ideology. it is nothing if the sort.
- Secondly the political left needs to take the Islamofascists to task as much as they take the Alt-right to rask. Stop pretending that because these views are based in a minority community that they are in anyway acceptable. They are not.
- Thirdly the moderate/liberal Muslims fighting this cancer in their community badly need our help and support.
- Fourthly, zero tolerance for Islamophobia And Isamofascism in equal measure. Challenge these opinions at all times but not in a manner that make the moderate/liberal Muslims life more difficult.

With the impending collapse of the ISIL caliphate many radicalised fighters will be returning to the UK. Their UK citizenship must me revoked. We cannot allow these people back into the UK without these people being deprogrammed.

It's going to be tough but we can get there.

One of the biggest problems is the mistrust that exists in the otherwise moderate Muslims. I had to put someone right on Facebook yesterday who although he condemned the murder of innocent people he then in the same breath reckoned it was funny how this had happened near the election. He was not put down until I got really annoyed and had to say something but his original post got a ton of likes from fellow Muslims. Now I don't know him really at all but what worries me is I know he has kids, how can he possibly think the UK government is involved in state murder?? He constantly posts about Corbyn, Palestine, Israel and all of that so clearly he just has a bee in his bonnet and the once or twice I have met him he is a nice bloke, it still does not sit right with me though that he holds these views.

Now I am all for free speech but in this instance people who hold these views cannot be allowed to speak nor hold any position as a figurehead. I heard on the radio this morning that there are many instances of leading immans in mosques (this one was in Birmingham) who are openly highly skeptical of the UK/US governments. Obviously they don't condone violence but where is the line drawn, it is okay to condemn violence but these people MUST attack the whole ideology and not make reason for it.

Many do attack it but there is a definite sizeable minority who yes condemns murder but they still remain highly critical and skeptical which is extremely worrying. Let's not forget too that these people are not nutters, these are people holding leading positions in mosques and communities who are freely able to potentially influence those who might be on the verge of taking the wrong path, particularly the young and more easily coerced.

This apologetic nature has to be rooted out and attacked critically but unfortunately in this society we are not allowed to. I had to hestitate to take this man to task because I thought I would be called racist or an Islamaphobe but I got so annoyed I did it anyway. If it had been a non-Muslim like we saw with the Erasure bloke on Twitter we would be saying he is a one off nutter but this is not the case, these are views held by large numbers of people and as seen even by non-Muslims. This is all despite the massive and needless tragic loss of life yesterday.

What the solution to this is I don't know but there is a clear almost anarchist type festering movement lying just below the surface which will sympathize and attempt to make a reasoned justification for these attacks. This cannot be tolerated but at the moment we are allowing it to because we are afraid and disallowed as a society to criticize. It is now a taboo subject to criticize a Muslim or anyone for that matter for their views. Unfortunately this is now leading indirectly to a tiny minority interpreting this wrong and people are now being killed.

Now on the flipside and this has to be said - My brother in law is a Muslim and the man is a proper family man, he does everything for his kids and he does everything for his family. I spoke to him yesterday and he was nearly in tears to me on the phone because he has young kids around a similar age to the youngest killed. He has done nothing but condemn these attacks, no ifs and no buts. Muslims like him should not be tarnished with the same brush because he has embraced British society and integrated into our way of life. He makes fantastic curries, as a taxi driver he invites an older widowed man to his house every week for sunday dinner. He even sits in the sports bar to watch football with us and has a coffee whilst we are on beer. He is a fantastic human being and the perfect example of why you cannot tarnish everyone all the same based upon their religion. It is people like him that should be leading members of these communities but his views are almost seen as irrelevant to other Muslims simply because he is living a British life.

 

[blueinsa]

Amber Rudd has publicly criticised the Yanks for releasing the name of the bomber before GMP wanted to. They really are dickheads.

I mentioned this last night. They leaked the bombers name to CBS but not only did they leak it, they also got it fucking wrong and named him as the arrested man.

Not great from our American allies.

 

[Blue Llama]

3000 people of interest in the UK in regards links in some form to Islamic terrorism get shut of the lot of them no fcuking about!

3000 - please quote the source. Where to? Some could be UK Born. Define "interest". How many of the 3000 have just been seen talking to the wrong person? That would create an "interest" as would a number of other minor acts. You get shut of this person what do his mates do. They object, they protest and 'you' have just started several more on the road to radicalism.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Most of us don't tarnish them all mate............Most Mancs know many muslims. They live as neighbours.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

That hashtag #prayformanchester is pissing me off. praying is whats causing this shite.

If people kept their spiritual ideas to themselves the world would be a far better place.

Religion needs universal outlawing, it's fucking archaic.