Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[Damocles]

Anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. Let's just wait for the next attack on kids shall we?

Do you believe that's what's happening?

That counter terrorism is just a sham and everybody is sat around at GCHQ and MI5 playing Pokemon Go?

Out of every possible time to switch off your brain, this is probably the worst.

 

[The Blue]

It's strange in the office today (in Bolton), people aren't really talking about it. I've been called out for being quiet today because i'm not joining in having a laugh with people. Are they not aware of what went on?
Don't get me wrong, i do have a tendency to over-indulge in the media coverage, but it certainly cuts deeper when its in your own city.

 

[foetus]

Absolutely bang on. I am so thankful my girlfriend and her friends got home safely, but their firsthand accounts of the evening are heartbreaking. I can't begin to imagine seeing their words with my own eyes. We need to prevent this again, and that means we need action.

+1. Can't stand it when the suspect was "known to police". Always seems to be the case. Lock the scum up or fuck them off before they get a chance to do something like this.

Glad your missus got home safely.

 

[mekonmcfc]

Yes. which is why debating about it in this thread serves no purpose. Because it is beyond our comprehension. Even I as a practicing muslim cannot comprehend it.

when you say practicing muslim, how does that conflict with western life ? lets say drinking, going to watch City or to gigs and your wife ? I'm curious to know how a full practicing muslim can do both ?

 

[mancityvstoke]

It's strange in the office today (in Bolton), people aren't really talking about it. I've been called out for being quiet today because i'm not joining in having a laugh with people. Are they not aware of what went on?
Don't get me wrong, i do have a tendency to over-indulge in the media coverage, but it certainly cuts deeper when its in your own city.

totally mate

 

[abu13]

Not directly related but it brought to mind an interview i saw years ago with a retired American intellegence officer in relation to 9/11.

He said something along the lines of whenever an attack like this happens the information is usually found to have been available. He said usually there are triggers, little bits of information that in hindsight when looking back can all be found and linked together. The skill in the intellegence agencies is to see these links which to be fair they tend to be very good at, especially in the UK.

This is what happens when you hear the phrase " Known to the police", it doesn't mean that there was a direct threat.

 

[bluetev]

i saw this, i believe was written by a holocaust survivor. Not sure if true but makes interesting reading


‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’

‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’

‘We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’

‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China ‘s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, We often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims Have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our Enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world Will have begun.’

‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’

‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa, too, while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.’

‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas
Refuse to acknowledge British law.’

‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’

Well said.
Do you recall glaswegian Asad Shah, peaceful, tolerant, integrated and loved his community?
Stabbed to death by another, "true" muslim
(And openly cheered on by his family in court)

Or Salman taseer, who opposed the hideous blasphemy law in "true" muslim country Pakistan.
Shot dead, with his killer being showered with flowers by numerous followers and getting a shrine to his name.

The basic, unbelievable stupid "islamophobia" argument is that not 100% of muslims are evil.
So? Even if 30, 50, 70 percent are Asad Shahs or Taseers, would they have the guts to come out in the open??

 

[chaddblue]

It's strange in the office today (in Bolton), people aren't really talking about it. I've been called out for being quiet today because i'm not joining in having a laugh with people. Are they not aware of what went on?
Don't get me wrong, i do have a tendency to over-indulge in the media coverage, but it certainly cuts deeper when its in your own city.

I know exactly what you mean. I find myself sat here trying to work but thinking why am I doing this... it really does not matter. Then some air head girls across the corridor are giggling about something totally mundane and I want to go over and scream at them.

 

[Magicpole]

Its been pulled because we dont want this thread to turn into the usual religious debate that only ever ends one way mate.

Its a thread that so far has been respectful and kept in mind those affected by Monday nights atrocity.

Im not saying it's worthy of debate on another thread but i dont think this one is the right place for it.

Ive put it up for Ric to look at and for him to decide the best place for it fella.

I don't agree with your assessment. I hope Ric can see it's not an attack on anyone but an exploration of what underpins the mindset. It includes the texts from the bible that echoes the same type of instruction. It also applauds the vast maj of Muslim people who do not follow the teachings literally and who play an invaluable contribution to our efforts to combat it.

To remove it is to deny debate on understanding the issues. If we do that then we approach it from an perspective that doesn't allow for understanding what these issues are.

Dissapointed that you read it and concluded it was anything other than an attempt to contextualise what we face.

 

[cucumberman]

when you say practicing muslim, how does that conflict with western life ? lets say drinking, going to watch City or to gigs and your wife ? I'm curious to know how a full practicing muslim can do both ?

Think these are out of topic questions mate but I'll answer quickly. I don't drink, but then I don't drink anything other than water and juices for health reasons. I watch City like everyone else, SC holder a few years and ticket before that, Maine road as well. I not only go to gigs, I play in a band and gigged once a week, covering Limp Bizkit, Korn, etc. And I don't get about the wife, but yeah she's female. I can't see any conflict and I don't impose my faith in others. When in Rome do as Romans do.