FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

[Lowtower]

The clue is in the teams he played

The Dutch
The Spanish
Ze Germans

Who were all decent

Whereas cockwomble played an averagd dutch side and err Spain

And lost.

The Spain team against us in 96 were robbed, 2 goals ruled out and a pen not given.

 

[Stopfordia]

In comparison to Taylors hoof ball spell, then yeah, Venables was a decent manager, I can see why we romanticise this era as the Home tournament of 96 clouds the reality of what we were like.

Venables also had the luxury of two years without playing a single competitive match, as he took over after England had failed to qualify for the World Cup, and didn't have to go through the Euros qualifiers as England were hosts. He had plenty of time between his appointment and the start of Euro96 to experiment with players and get his team right. Nobody else has had that - it's always been straight into the tournament qualifiers.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

We also played decent stuff under Robson. Both VENABLES and Robson played to our attacking strengths. They came close. Waistcoat has never looked like beating a good side.

The biggest problem is that it is clear in Southgate's head that those teams he considers a 'threat', which turned out to also include Iceland, he puts 99% of his eggs in the defensive basket and 'invites' teams to attack, and, often, with their one and only excursion into the England area they score, and we come out of our defensive shell and chase the game. Have we ever started on the front foot against a team with the intention of getting in their area and making them defend! The Dutch, Germans, and Spanish all seemed to have the reverse philosophy to Southgate. When you consider the attacking capabilities in the England squad it's just dereliction! The Southgate mindset will win nowt!

 

[hilts]

In comparison to Taylors hoof ball spell, then yeah, Venables was a decent manager, I can see why we romanticise this era as the Home tournament of 96 clouds the reality of what we were like.

Not really clouded fella we played attacking wingbacks and other systems english managers never thought of before, venables was an excellent attacking forward thinking coach, we lost on penalties to a very very good German side. That's not romance it's actually how it was.

No international side will ever be entertaining in every game its not possible. I find people who rate Southgate highly are being pretty fucking disrespectful of great managers, and i mean great managers, like Robson and Venables and what they achieved in the game.

A failed championship manager who couldn't beat one decent side ever in a tournament ever as international coach.

People don't half fall for media hype and stats that don't stand up to scrutiny. Your own eyes should be the ultimate guide. Some are really clueless about the game.

 

[hilts]

Venables also had the luxury of two years without playing a single competitive match, as he took over after England had failed to qualify for the World Cup, and didn't have to go through the Euros qualifiers as England were hosts. He had plenty of time between his appointment and the start of Euro96 to experiment with players and get his team right. Nobody else has had that - it's always been straight into the tournament qualifiers.

Being hosts is an advantage but not playing competitive games is a disadvantage.

 

[hilts]

The Spain team against us in 96 were robbed, 2 goals ruled out and a pen not given.

I can't be arsed looking back on individual decisions and if they were right or not. This would hardly compare with 4 tournaments of piss easy draws though would it?

What other manager gets 4 tournaments of failure whilst playing shit football?

You think southgate even compares to Venables?

You think his team play better football?

If you do football isn't your sport my friend.

 

[Lowtower]

I can't be arsed looking back on individual decisions and if they were right or not. This would hardly compare with 4 tournaments of piss easy draws though would it?

What other manager gets 4 tournaments of failure whilst playing shit football?

You think southgate even compares to Venables?

You think his team play better football?

If you do football isn't your sport my friend.

I've not said Southgate compares to Venables, Nor have I said that Southgates football is "better"

Suppose it all depends on what you consider "better" though. Results based Southgate wins hands down, no one has come closer than him since 66, "piss easy draws" or not.

 

[hilts]

I've not said Southgate compares to Venables, Nor have I said that Southgates football is "better"

Suppose it all depends on what you consider "better" though. Results based Southgate wins hands down, no one has come closer than him since 66, "piss easy draws" or not.

If you don't base results on the opposition then there is really no need to continue further, it's a level of football stupidity that one can never come back from.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Venables had the luxury of not needing qualifications for the Euros, being at home but also before the time of social media/forums constantly criticizing and over analyzing everything.

It's easy to forget that we wasn't actually that impressive in Euro 96, we just see clips of the Holland match and Gazza's goal v Scotland over and over, when the reality was there was many games we sat back, sideways passing and not having much possession at times.

Our opening fixture of that tournament was drab 1-1 draw with Switzerland - we took the lead in the first half then sat back rest of match and lucky not to lose overall.

Next up Scotland, poor again, forgettable first half, took the lead and sat back, Scotland missed a penalty to equalize then moments later it was that iconic Gazza goal which overshadowed a poor performance.

Then of course, Holland. Brilliant performance and result. everything clicked.

QF - Spain - Possibly the worst match of the whole tournament from a entertainment point of view. really drab affair, tight, very few chances. 120 minutes- no goals. penalties which we won.

SF - Germany - We scored early and Germany soon equalized, really tight affair - we come close a couple times notably the ball across that Gazza couldn't reach. then lost to penalties.

so overall, 2 wins in normal time the whole tournament and only 1 of them was a brilliant performance.

What made the tournament special was the wave of passion and patriotism from the fans and supporters up and down the land, before social media and forums that didn't constantly moan and target the manager and individual players.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Wow.
Are those 2 names mentioned at the bottom of the paragraph really a consideration?
I'd rather keep Southgate!

Taken from BBC's Gossip page

Newcastle United manager Eddie Howe will be one of the leading candidates to become England manager if current boss Gareth Southgate steps down. Former England midfielders Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are also possible contenders. (Guardian)

 

[Gordyola]

I’d go so far as to say he’s done pretty well considering when he took over the role, he had a lack of experience of managing or coaching successful teams. Some will say he still has;)
Anyway, time for him to move on now, in my book probably should have done two tournaments ago, but one thing I will say, the players seem to like him and he seems to bring a harmonious atmosphere between the players.

Strong rumours of some disharmony in the camp According to credible journalists and that it will all come out over the next few weeks now that players are away from the camp Let’s see what is said

 

[mattcity5]

Reminds me of a kid who is always told they're brilliant and then really struggles with any kind of hardship or constructive criticism. He's been earmarked as the future of English football since he was in his mid-teens. Birmingham retired his shirt number FFS

Didn't have to fight for his place anywhere. Never went out on loan and took a kicking in the lower leagues. Just constant praise and promotion. Makes it hard to accept criticism because it cuts right through to your sense of self. Seems quick to blame everyone else as a result

He's had a hell of a career so far, everything's been accelerated and it's no surprise that as a result it's gone to his head a bit.

He's not stayed at one club long, so hasn't had chance to develop the relationship skills to make him a proper team player. It's all fuck everyone, burn your bridges, then jump ship to another club.

Problem for him will be any moves from Madrid are going to be downwards. In the next couple of years he'll probably hit the difficulties that will either make him or break him. He'll either grow up and turn it round, or by the time he's 28 he'll probably be on about his 10th club.

 

[NLW Blue]

England need a manager that doesn't pick players based on their ego's or amount they get paid in endorsements. If you are English and play for a 'big' club you get selected, it doesn't matter if someone from a 'smaller' club is better than you in that position. No one else gets a look in. Spain had 5 players from Real Sociedad in their squad, who are not a traditional 'big' club, but they had the players to fill the role. They didn't select someone who plays in central midfield for their club and stick them on the wing because they had to be in the team.

 

[mexico1970]

He's had a hell of a career so far, everything's been accelerated and it's no surprise that as a result it's gone to his head a bit.

He's not stayed at one club long, so hasn't had chance to develop the relationship skills to make him a proper team player. It's all fuck everyone, burn your bridges, then jump ship to another club.

Problem for him will be any moves from Madrid are going to be downwards. In the next couple of years he'll probably hit the difficulties that will either make him or break him. He'll either grow up and turn it round, or by the time he's 28 he'll probably be on about his 10th club.

The ego of Mbappe will finish him off at Real Madrid he'll be walking around like a smacked arse in no time, scouseland or the rags beckon IMHO.

 

[mattcity5]

Lee Carsley would be my choice. The u21s play some great attacking football and he’s worked with a lot of the current players

No good with the ego's amongst England's seniors.

Think the City guys are quite humble. They'd probably appreciate somebody with intelligence and a modern approach to coaching being in charge. Whether everyone else feels the same, he would need to make it their problem if they don't.

He'd need balls, but it's still pretty simple. He can point to Spain winning with De La Fuente in charge to support him. So... got issues with me? You're not in the squad then.

 

[mattcity5]

The ego of Mbappe will finish him off at Real Madrid he'll be walking around like a smacked arse in no time, scouseland or the rags beckon IMHO.

And I'd expect he'd fail at either of those, it'd just be a question if who would take on his wages after that when he does.

 

[mexico1970]

And I'd expect he'd fail at either of those, it'd just be a question if who would take on his wages after that when he does.

Somebody said he would end up like Pogba and I think they and you are right,

 

[supercity88]

Lee Carsley would be my choice. The u21s play some great attacking football and he’s worked with a lot of the current players

It's a move that's worked with a lot of other national teams over the years.

It's a difficult decision because English fans are so fickle you're only one bad result away from being completely slaughtered in the media. He's got a track record at youth level which Southgate lacked, but he's not had a senior role for more than a few games as interim. His record with the U21s is fantastic though and with a young squad otherwise and the success Germany and Spain have said from a similar move there's logic to it. But a couple of bad results or performances and the noise will spiral again. I guess that's true of anyone other than the elite managers like Pep and Ancelotti though, and neither of those are taking it.

 

[Crooked_rain]

I don’t think he’s gonna go. He’d surely have done so yesterday? He will be getting wooed by the FA probably get a rise and he will be listening to those who use his stats to suggest he isn’t a tactically inept manager who loses every time he faces a decent team and struggles to beat half decent ones.

Not sure he would resign the day right after the final. They'll likely know he's resigning but get the wheels in motion to get the next one in before he announces it.

 

[KS55]

Somebody said he would end up like Pogba and I think they and you are right,

Yes. We’ve all seen over the years players who were highly talented but their attitude blighted their careers. Sancho?
We’ve also seen less talented players who had the right attitude and worked on their game and did really well. Keegan?