FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

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BlueHammer85 said:
Don't see what's strange

Club managers get way more opportunity to win trophies than International Managers
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He asked if it was wrong to appoint Pep, I never changed the narrative. I gave my answer and justified it. You seem happy with the mediocrity served up by Southgate, I am not. Let's leave it at that shall we?
 
coolcity said:
Worth noting that Brazil are out too, and it wasn't too long ago that they got battered 7-1 I think it was, in a world Cup semi.

Point is I don't agree that we've gone backwards, the annoying thing is we could have won all three of these last three tourneys with the right manager. Problem is the media bang on about how well he prepared for matches yet all I see are the same faces playing in exactly the same way, and players that do come in have to adjust to the negative way they play.
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Well, we have gone backwards. We got to the semi last time.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You don’t have to be a prediction genius to think England won’t win the WC and we’ll fall short at some stage

I’ve constantly repeated that I don’t think we’ll win the WC even if you have the best manager and players, tactics etc because tournament football means anything can happen - which is exactly what happened yesterday - Lloris had a blinder, Ref was crap with a few decisions, Missed penalty etc - it’s such fine margins and we deserved to win - that’s football

No different to City in the Champions league Is it ?

Just because we’ve not won the WC in donkeys years shouldn’t mean we should automatically be negative towards England every tournament
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The stage is always the same though, the round might be different
 
City_Sean said:
I dislike Southgate as much as everyone, but like I say I find it hard to criticise last night. I thought we were very good and deserved to win. He should still go, but like I say I thought last night was a very good performance
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No manager should be praised or criticised based on one game. Just his body of work.

We weren't very good by the way just okay.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
Well, we have gone backwards. We got to the semi last time.
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Only gone backwards if you neglect the bigger picture. Not a fan of Southgate at all but we looked much better in this tournament than the previous two. However, he’s still not beaten a team that are our equal or better in a tournament. That French team is better than Italy and Croatia who beat us the other 2 times.
 
Two worldcup's are a long enough time to show what a manager can do, Southgate has done well than most of his recent predecessors but none had the sort of talent at disposal that he had apart from that 2010 side perhaps, he should gracefully move on himself rather than waiting on FA to decide his future.

Secondly, England's improvement in recent years is also down to the influx of world class managers in the PL who have raised the level of play and discipline in present and upcoming players, so Southgate was lucky in a way that he had excellent squads to work with and it's time someone else should get that opportunity
 
A semi-final, final and quarter-final is as impressive run of major tournaments as I think any international manager can have without winning one, and about par for where we'd want England to be after decades of chronic underachievement. England have got no god given right to win every tournament, and Southgate has given me a bit of pride and belief in supporting them. Maybe the next manager will get us over the line, but I think to assume that someone will walk in and do it pays a lot of disrespect to Southgate's work. And tournament football at this level is just difficult and cruel, that's the sport we've all decided to follow.
 
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For me, Southgate shows the tactical awareness of my 7 year old as he mashes his Xbox controller trying to play FIFA.

I also think Southgate has the charisma of a slug. I find it impossible to warm to him personally, but others have. The waist coat thing was absolute cringe.

Going from watching City under Pep, to the shite Southgate serves up, is… sobering, shall we say?!

All of that said, there’s more to football than just tactics and charisma (although I’d argue they’re probably the most important.) Just like there’s more to boxing than smacking your opponent in the face. There’s footwork, fitness and a whole lot more than just big hits.

I’d say the squad look pretty happy and united under Southgate, even if the football is fucking rubbish. In fairness, he seems to be a fairly good man manager.

I’m not bothered either way if he stays or goes, and even though I don’t like him he probably deserves a bit of credit. If he does go, I hope the FA look for someone whose teams can play with a bit of flare (no, not Martinez!)

Italy were there for the taking in the Euro final (in regular time) and I think we could have done a number on France too. Poor tactics and zero ambition or belief in both matches cost us.
 
I would say to those who are advocating getting rid of Southgate be careful of what you wish for.
I wasn't keen on his appointment and was pretty sceptical but he has won me over to the point where I would say if he feels he can carry on improving this team he should be given the chance.

People forget what an abject state the team was in when he took over. We were not poor we were awful. The National team was a joke and a shambles.

Since then in three international tournaments he has qualified for all three without a hiccup. In all three of them we have made reasonable progress and only been beaten by our failure to take penalties twice in a shoot out and once in real time.

Much has been made of his lack of club success and tactical awareness but I see little evidence that these attributes have brought England greater success when we have appointed such managers. In this World cup Spain Holland and Germany have all had managers with extensive club success and champions league medal winners their teams are broadly comparable with ours and have players who would walk into our starting XI. We have probably performed better than all of them. the fact is I suspect with the preparation time available to managers deep tactical planning is of limited benefit at International level.

The accusation that I disagree most with is that he is some kind of FA stooge or Shill. The FA did not want to appoint him they appointed Allardyce he did not accept the job straight away and only took it conditionally.

Since then he has fully backed his players when taking the knee against opposition from some supporters, much of the popular press and some government spokesman there is no way that that was the FA's message, that was his leadership and decency.

Very few of the self aggrandising managers that had preceded him in the job would have done that.

He has the backing of his players that will go far in international management whether he feels he can go further I don't know if he does I back him to try if he does not he has built a fantastic platform for whoever follows I am though sceptical that it will be easy to find a manager who will improve on his performance.
 
Cityfan said:
I would say to those who are advocating getting rid of Southgate be careful of what you wish for.
I wasn't keen on his appointment and was pretty sceptical but he has won me over to the point where I would say if he feels he can carry on improving this team he should be given the chance.

People forget what an abject state the team was in when he took over. We were not poor we were awful. The National team was a joke and a shambles.

Since then in three international tournaments he has qualified for all three without a hiccup. In all three of them we have made reasonable progress and only been beaten by our failure to take penalties twice in a shoot out and once in real time.

Much has been made of his lack of club success and tactical awareness but I see little evidence that these attributes have brought England greater success when we have appointed such managers. In this World cup Spain Holland and Germany have all had managers with extensive club success and champions league medal winners their teams are broadly comparable with ours and have players who would walk into our starting XI. We have probably performed better than all of them. the fact is I suspect with the preparation time available to managers deep tactical planning is of limited benefit at International level.

The accusation that I disagree most with is that he is some kind of FA stooge or Shill. The FA did not want to appoint him they appointed Allardyce he did not accept the job straight away and only took it conditionally.

Since then he has fully backed his players when taking the knee against opposition from some supporters, much of the popular press and some government spokesman there is no way that that was the FA's message, that was his leadership and decency.

Very few of the self aggrandising managers that had preceded him in the job would have done that.

He has the backing of his players that will go far in international management whether he feels he can go further I don't know if he does I back him to try if he does not he has built a fantastic platform for whoever follows I am though sceptical that it will be easy to find a manager who will improve on his performance.
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The fa won’t get rid of him he licks there ring
and they looovveee that
 
Indaparkside said:
The fa won’t get rid of him he licks there ring
and they looovveee that
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Of course he doesn't his backing of the players over taking the knee against the opinion of the popular press some of the government and a section of the suport is something that the FA would have been terrified of.
 
Jazzman said:
Did you notice in the 2nd half when Henderson suddenly pressed like mad, but all alone, and when he realized it he gave Foden a bollocking? I mean, I liked the pressing, but it appeared totally uncoordinated. Almost as if there were no plan, and each player just did what he was used to from his club. England need a playing identity, a game plan. It is not enough to just select 11 players from different systems and let them get on with it.
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These were my thoughts & why I’ve criticised the coaching, I just don’t see the organisation, the style.

Dogs of war hoofing next to tika taka, all thrown together in 433.
 
Cityfan said:
I would say to those who are advocating getting rid of Southgate be careful of what you wish for.
I wasn't keen on his appointment and was pretty sceptical but he has won me over to the point where I would say if he feels he can carry on improving this team he should be given the chance.

People forget what an abject state the team was in when he took over. We were not poor we were awful. The National team was a joke and a shambles.

Since then in three international tournaments he has qualified for all three without a hiccup. In all three of them we have made reasonable progress and only been beaten by our failure to take penalties twice in a shoot out and once in real time.

Much has been made of his lack of club success and tactical awareness but I see little evidence that these attributes have brought England greater success when we have appointed such managers. In this World cup Spain Holland and Germany have all had managers with extensive club success and champions league medal winners their teams are broadly comparable with ours and have players who would walk into our starting XI. We have probably performed better than all of them. the fact is I suspect with the preparation time available to managers deep tactical planning is of limited benefit at International level.

The accusation that I disagree most with is that he is some kind of FA stooge or Shill. The FA did not want to appoint him they appointed Allardyce he did not accept the job straight away and only took it conditionally.

Since then he has fully backed his players when taking the knee against opposition from some supporters, much of the popular press and some government spokesman there is no way that that was the FA's message, that was his leadership and decency.

Very few of the self aggrandising managers that had preceded him in the job would have done that.

He has the backing of his players that will go far in international management whether he feels he can go further I don't know if he does I back him to try if he does not he has built a fantastic platform for whoever follows I am though sceptical that it will be easy to find a manager who will improve on his performance.
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They should have qualified without a hiccup.

Only beaten by pens? They only qualified for one cos Colombia missed a pen, and beat the Swiss by a spot-kick in Nations League, that argument works both ways - so what's your point, caller?
Anyway, I'm sure you'll get your wish.


Taking the knee? Big deal.
Didn't take the cock in Qatar though - took the money.

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others
 
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