FA's new homegrown proposals

[I'm With Stupid]

Under the proposals outlined by the FA on Monday:
- A player will have to have been registered with his club from the age of 15 - down from 18 - to qualify as 'home-grown'.
- The minimum number of home-grown players in a club's first-team squad of 25 will increase from eight to 12, phased over four years from 2016.
- At least two home-grown players must also be 'club-trained' players - defined as any player, irrespective of nationality, that has been registered for three years at their club from the age of 15.
- Only the best non-EU foreign players will be granted permission to play in England.

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Might be a good time to buy Bale and Sterling then.

 

[bammy blue]

Should make it that 2 of the 7 match day substitute's have to be English and under 21.

 

[johnny on the spot]

Does this mean that the market for child players will become even more competitive and vulgar than it already is?

 

[bluechampion7891]

Hopefully the premier league will knock this proposal down.

All this will do is cause the likes of Lennon to go for £50m and paid 200k a week, meanwhile top prospects will start earning 50k or so before they turn 18. With so much money these players (with the exception of few) will rest on their laurels and stop improving or working hard - something we even see now. lower leagues might benefit with a lot of transfers as the premier league clubs attempt to sign decent British players, but very soon the Premier league will be diluted as a result of an abundance of average homegrown players. This could negatively impact the European spots granted to England, and further TV deals may decrease in value, potentially pushing the PL in the same direction as the serie A.

Meanwhile other leagues without the disadvantages of restrictions will improve their product while their already impressive youth setup will continue producing great players for the national teams

A far better (and proven) way to improve homegrown talent would be the introduction of B teams - both Spain and Germany who seem to have the greatest talent at the moment have b teams - so that promising youngsters don't get lost in their development when steeping up from the U18s. There is a gap between that age group and the top flight football that reserve football doesn't sufficiently address. Unfortunately this has been shot down (and unless the PL clubs somehow use their financial muscle to force this I doubt it will be implemented)

Grass root coaching needs to be improved - the number of coaches with uefa licenses is shockingly less than those in Spain or Germany

Rather than forcing clubs to use average players, maybe the subs bench could be expanded and the extra spots given to U21 players - options instead of restrictions. In italy they have a 12 man bench - no reason why those 5 spots cant be given to young players. I dont think it's possible to increase the number of substitutions allowed (fifa rule or something) - but were it possible maybe allow two u21 substitutions in addition to the 3 'free' subs. only restriction I could conceivably see would apply to early stage cup matches where perhaps the club is required to play 2 or 3 youngsters.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I think something needs to be done to get more young players playing for prem clubs again. At the moment there are way to many average foreign players playing. There are a lot of good young players coming up at most acedemys in the country so in a few years time i think there will be a lot more homegrown players.

 

[117 M34]

Well England can kiss goodbye to having teams in the latter stages of the champions league then.

Have they come up with a plan to improve the training the young English players get then to make them technically and football minded as good as players from other countries?

 

[squirtyflower]

Hopefully the premier league will knock this proposal down.

All this will do is cause the likes of Lennon to go for £50m and paid 200k a week, meanwhile top prospects will start earning 50k or so before they turn 18. With so much money these players (with the exception of few) will rest on their laurels and stop improving or working hard - something we even see now. lower leagues might benefit with a lot of transfers as the premier league clubs attempt to sign decent British players, but very soon the Premier league will be diluted as a result of an abundance of average homegrown players. This could negatively impact the European spots granted to England, and further TV deals may decrease in value, potentially pushing the PL in the same direction as the serie A.

Meanwhile other leagues without the disadvantages of restrictions will improve their product while their already impressive youth setup will continue producing great players for the national teams

A far better (and proven) way to improve homegrown talent would be the introduction of B teams - both Spain and Germany who seem to have the greatest talent at the moment have b teams - so that promising youngsters don't get lost in their development when steeping up from the U18s. There is a gap between that age group and the top flight football that reserve football doesn't sufficiently address. Unfortunately this has been shot down (and unless the PL clubs somehow use their financial muscle to force this I doubt it will be implemented)

Grass root coaching needs to be improved - the number of coaches with uefa licenses is shockingly less than those in Spain or Germany

Rather than forcing clubs to use average players, maybe the subs bench could be expanded and the extra spots given to U21 players - options instead of restrictions. In italy they have a 12 man bench - no reason why those 5 spots cant be given to young players. I dont think it's possible to increase the number of substitutions allowed (fifa rule or something) - but were it possible maybe allow two u21 substitutions in addition to the 3 'free' subs. only restriction I could conceivably see would apply to early stage cup matches where perhaps the club is required to play 2 or 3 youngsters.

Some excellent ideas in there that would be better than Dyke's steaming pile of protectionist crap

 

[oakiecokie]

The **** hadn`t got a clue how to run one of the worlds largest organisations,so how the fuck can he control one of the worlds largest sporting organisations.
Cnut of the highest order.

 

[Barcon]

Well, I guess that'll be the end of watching Premier league matches on tv over here then.

 

[super_city_si]

Well England can kiss goodbye to having teams in the latter stages of the champions league then.

Have they come up with a plan to improve the training the young English players get then to make them technically and football minded as good as players from other countries?

It's amazing isn't it? The leader of the English football association has failed to address the biggest issue and cause of the lack of talent. Incompetent buffoons.

 

[bitsmith]

This is utter dross unless it's England all you care about. It would specially screw us at the moment as we'd need to buy loads of English players.

 

[super_city_si]

This is utter dross unless it's England all you care about. It would specially screw us at the moment as we'd need to buy loads of English players.

It's not even that. Nowhere does it say the 'homegrown' players have to English. How many of our academy are English? This only serves to dilute the quality of the premier league.
To address England failings there has to be investment in playing surfaces and coaching at grass roots level. Not this indiscriminate shit.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Well England can kiss goodbye to having teams in the latter stages of the champions league then.

Have they come up with a plan to improve the training the young English players get then to make them technically and football minded as good as players from other countries?

Of course not. That would involve his organisation actually doing some work. Far better to just put all of the blame and responsibility on the clubs instead.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's a great proposal.

As long as you want to reduce the PL to the level of the SPL. Dyke is all bluster and won't be in the job much longer. What we really need is a long-term, co-ordinated plan to bring the facilities and coaching up to scratch. Then, when we're producing the likes of Messi, Aguero and Silva, talk about a quota system. Either that or just simply abolish the England team, which only matters to people from places like Grimsby, Lincoln and Taunton. With no national team then no one will give a fuck about English talent.

 

[moomba]

The FA hasnt even given the EPPP a chance to work. One of the most significant developments in the game with more time and resources given to developing kids than ever. Did they expect results strsight away?

 

[cibaman]

This is utter dross unless it's England all you care about. It would specially screw us at the moment as we'd need to buy loads of English players.

Wouldnt we do quite well out of it, at least domestically?

By the time it comes in wont the best young players be at the etihad campus?

 

[G-Star Medium Rare]

This is utter dross unless it's England all you care about. It would specially screw us at the moment as we'd need to buy loads of English players.

It's not even that. Nowhere does it say the 'homegrown' players have to English. How many of our academy are English? This only serves to dilute the quality of the premier league.
To address England failings there has to be investment in playing surfaces and coaching at grass roots level. Not this indiscriminate shit.

FA panicking about poor England team because the Blazers might not get as many nice freebie trips abroad.
The Premiership and Sky/BT shite will shirley block this from Rag Dyke.

 

[CityFan94]

Why not focus on developing more talented English players?

Having players like Young and Lennon instead of Silva and Hazard doesn't improve the clubs, the league or England.

Bayern is full of German players because they're good enough, not simply because they're German. Focus on developing good enough English players and they'll play, it really is that simple.

How about bridging the gap between youth football and the Premiership? Young players are expected to jump from U18s/U20s to the hardest senior league in the world. B teams should be brought in before any of this.

 

[unexpected item]

The tweaking of the three-year club trained rule from 21 to 18 is interesting and looks to me a way of slowing down the import of lads from the EU but without seeming to be discriminatory on grounds of nationality, which is illegal under EU law.

Do we currently bring in the young Spanish, Belgium and Dutch lads before they are 16? If not, then they won't qualify as home grown under the new rules. Also, I wonder if they will implement the new regulations retrospectively, so that lads who now qualify as home grown may not if the regulations are changed?

 

[quiet_riot]

All this is just covering for the FA's own failing for many many years. If they had introduced proper coaches, age specific coaching and less emphasis on winning as kids, there would be no need for quotas and the like, as our own kids would be technically much better. For too long, coaches at junior levels have been all about winning and therefore stick a bruiser up top and lump it to him.

As it is, they're forcing the introduction of bang average players to be seen like they're doing something.