FFP - 21 Man Squad Restriction & Homegrown Quota

[chris85mcfc]

I think the only solution to the RB problem is to make Richards see out his contract and get him fit

Easier said that done that mate. I thought he'd gone and crocked himself again in the Al Ain match. He just seems to get injured every other game these days. I am not meaning to be harsh or nasty to the lad, it's just the reality and I don't put it down to a run of bad luck - it's something about his bulk and the way he throws himself about.

Same boat mate, ive said it numerous times recently that he doesn't seem to have the brain cells to realise that he doesn't have to go flying into EVERY.SINGLE.TACKLE. He hasn't moved with the times of the club, and i find that some what ironic when you think he has been here for so long.

My point was based on the fact that a fit Micah Richards would help our home grown problems a lot. If you could guarantee that he would be fit all season then you would have your hand snapped off, but the chances of that happening are slim to none.

All points aside, this will all get sorted out and im pretty confident that come the start of the season we will have all boxes ticked

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

To be honest, we haven't done too badly out of these sanctions all-in-all so there has to be one that causes us some inconvenience, plus it's only for one season.

We still should have enough to get out of the group, plus we only got 3.5 coefficient points for 09/10 as we weren't in Europe. We lose those next season so even if we just get out of the group, we should pick up a net 17-19 points.

 

[BringBackSwales]

To be honest, we haven't done too badly out of these sanctions all-in-all so there has to be one that causes us some inconvenience, plus it's only for one season.

We still should have enough to get out of the group, plus we only got 3.5 coefficient points for 09/10 as we weren't in Europe. We lose those next season so even if we just get out of the group, we should pick up a net 17-19 points.

IF it is a 13 + 8 rule PB then I would contend that it is a hell of a lot more than an inconvenience. It will potentially affect:-

1. Established players who are already here who see less chance of playing in the CL and less chance of winning the fucker, or progressing further in it;

2. As 1 above for potential new players;

3. As 1 above for us fans, in terms of keeping players, attracting players, and doing well in the CL

I fail to see how this is not a shagfucker of a penalty, especially as we do not deserve any penalty at all, and on this basis I am disappointed we have accepted it, and as I said earlier I sure as fuck hope someone at our club has not misinterpreted the detailed rules

 

[supercity88]

To be honest, we haven't done too badly out of these sanctions all-in-all so there has to be one that causes us some inconvenience, plus it's only for one season.

We still should have enough to get out of the group, plus we only got 3.5 coefficient points for 09/10 as we weren't in Europe. We lose those next season so even if we just get out of the group, we should pick up a net 17-19 points.

IF it is a 13 + 8 rule PB then I would contend that it is a hell of a lot more than an inconvenience. It will potentially affect:-

1. Established players who are already here who see less chance of playing in the CL and less chance of winning the fucker, or progressing further in it;

2. As 1 above for potential new players;

3. As 1 above for us fans, in terms of keeping players, attracting players, and doing well in the CL

I fail to see how this is not a shagfucker of a penalty, especially as we do not deserve any penalty at all, and on this basis I am disappointed we have accepted it, and as I said earlier I sure as fuck hope someone at our club has not misinterpreted the detailed rules

It may have been a case of damage limitation. Whilst I agree that we shouldn't have accepted it, behind the scenes I am sure that they are keen to keep our name clean with UEFA and to keep sponsors happy by staying in the competition and not causing a fuss. It is a controversial club that decides to challenge UEFA, I think we want to be an exemplar club rather than the revolutionary one. In the grand scheme of things, and plans the main board have, one or two seasons of punishment are nothing. We still have no real concept of what they plan, world domination whilst sounding over-dramatic, is probably what we are aiming for.

 

[BringBackSwales]

To be honest, we haven't done too badly out of these sanctions all-in-all so there has to be one that causes us some inconvenience, plus it's only for one season.

We still should have enough to get out of the group, plus we only got 3.5 coefficient points for 09/10 as we weren't in Europe. We lose those next season so even if we just get out of the group, we should pick up a net 17-19 points.

IF it is a 13 + 8 rule PB then I would contend that it is a hell of a lot more than an inconvenience. It will potentially affect:-

1. Established players who are already here who see less chance of playing in the CL and less chance of winning the fucker, or progressing further in it;

2. As 1 above for potential new players;

3. As 1 above for us fans, in terms of keeping players, attracting players, and doing well in the CL

I fail to see how this is not a shagfucker of a penalty, especially as we do not deserve any penalty at all, and on this basis I am disappointed we have accepted it, and as I said earlier I sure as fuck hope someone at our club has not misinterpreted the detailed rules

It may have been a case of damage limitation. Whilst I agree that we shouldn't have accepted it, behind the scenes I am sure that they are keen to keep our name clean with UEFA and to keep sponsors happy by staying in the competition and not causing a fuss. It is a controversial club that decides to challenge UEFA, I think we want to be an exemplar club rather than the revolutionary one. In the grand scheme of things, and plans the main board have, one or two seasons of punishment are nothing. We still have no real concept of what they plan, world domination whilst sounding over-dramatic, is probably what we are aiming for.

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

The only one that causes us a practical inconvenience appears to be this CL squad one. Sure, two or three players might have to be sacrificed but we can still put out a mighty team with all our major players in it.

The transfer fee cap is probably neutral as is the wages cap and the prize money being withheld. That is, neither good nor bad for us.

The revised FFP assessment process and targets actually benefits us greatly in my view.

There might be other, unwritten concessions that we've got behind the scenes as a reward for playing ball. Like no more Swedish referees or an easier team from Pot 1.

 

[BringBackSwales]

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

The only one that causes us a practical inconvenience appears to be this CL squad one. Sure, two or three players might have to be sacrificed but we can still put out a mighty team with all our major players in it.

The transfer fee cap is probably neutral as is the wages cap and the prize money being withheld. That is, neither good nor bad for us.

The revised FFP assessment process and targets actually benefits us greatly in my view.

There might be other, unwritten concessions that we've got behind the scenes as a reward for playing ball. Like no more Swedish referees or an easier team from Pot 1.

LOL at your last point, but regarding the others, the fine is a bit shit as all the speculation was that it would not hit our ffp calculations, but the fact that we get reduced prize money means it clearly does. But the 13 foreign player restriction is bad - it does not sound bad until you factor in substitutions, suspensions, injuries, rotations etc, and we are immediately at the bare bones; also the impact on current players not selected will be bad, as well the ability to recruit new players.

 

[Matty]

IF it is a 13 + 8 rule PB then I would contend that it is a hell of a lot more than an inconvenience. It will potentially affect:-

1. Established players who are already here who see less chance of playing in the CL and less chance of winning the fucker, or progressing further in it;

2. As 1 above for potential new players;

3. As 1 above for us fans, in terms of keeping players, attracting players, and doing well in the CL

I fail to see how this is not a shagfucker of a penalty, especially as we do not deserve any penalty at all, and on this basis I am disappointed we have accepted it, and as I said earlier I sure as fuck hope someone at our club has not misinterpreted the detailed rules

It may have been a case of damage limitation. Whilst I agree that we shouldn't have accepted it, behind the scenes I am sure that they are keen to keep our name clean with UEFA and to keep sponsors happy by staying in the competition and not causing a fuss. It is a controversial club that decides to challenge UEFA, I think we want to be an exemplar club rather than the revolutionary one. In the grand scheme of things, and plans the main board have, one or two seasons of punishment are nothing. We still have no real concept of what they plan, world domination whilst sounding over-dramatic, is probably what we are aiming for.

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

I get the impression that, in the main, the sanctions "imposed" upon us are more a case of what we were willing to accept as opposed to what UEFA wanted to do to us. I wouldn't go as far as to say we were able to pick and chose our own punishment, but I think the size and nature of our sanctions are far more in line with what we are happy with than what UEFA wanted to do.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

IF it is a 13 + 8 rule PB then I would contend that it is a hell of a lot more than an inconvenience. It will potentially affect:-

1. Established players who are already here who see less chance of playing in the CL and less chance of winning the fucker, or progressing further in it;

2. As 1 above for potential new players;

3. As 1 above for us fans, in terms of keeping players, attracting players, and doing well in the CL

I fail to see how this is not a shagfucker of a penalty, especially as we do not deserve any penalty at all, and on this basis I am disappointed we have accepted it, and as I said earlier I sure as fuck hope someone at our club has not misinterpreted the detailed rules

It may have been a case of damage limitation. Whilst I agree that we shouldn't have accepted it, behind the scenes I am sure that they are keen to keep our name clean with UEFA and to keep sponsors happy by staying in the competition and not causing a fuss. It is a controversial club that decides to challenge UEFA, I think we want to be an exemplar club rather than the revolutionary one. In the grand scheme of things, and plans the main board have, one or two seasons of punishment are nothing. We still have no real concept of what they plan, world domination whilst sounding over-dramatic, is probably what we are aiming for.

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

I fall somewhere between the two extremes. I think as punishments go it's manageable, but what does concern me is what will be next. These people are not our friends in any way shape or form. They are a vehicle driven entirely by our enemies. They knew the Home Grown quota would be an issue for us, so they targeted it deliberately. I suspect the Academy, in terms of our ability to write investment in it off against FFP will be next, together with a limit on the number of non-English players you can have in it. You can call it paranoia if you wish, but these are bitter, spiteful individuals we're dealing with

 

[Centurions]

SC, you are pragmatic and wise, I hear what you are saying, but I still think it is a bad deal - however I can only assume that the threats in the background from those uefa scumbags made accepting these punishments seem wise and pragmatic to the club, but for the club to dress them up as unimportant seems way off the mark to me

The only one that causes us a practical inconvenience appears to be this CL squad one. Sure, two or three players might have to be sacrificed but we can still put out a mighty team with all our major players in it.

The transfer fee cap is probably neutral as is the wages cap and the prize money being withheld. That is, neither good nor bad for us.

The revised FFP assessment process and targets actually benefits us greatly in my view.

There might be other, unwritten concessions that we've got behind the scenes as a reward for playing ball. Like no more Swedish referees or an easier team from Pot 1.

LOL at your last point, but regarding the others, the fine is a bit shit as all the speculation was that it would not hit our ffp calculations, but the fact that we get reduced prize money means it clearly does. But the 13 foreign player restriction is bad - it does not sound bad until you factor in substitutions, suspensions, injuries, rotations etc, and we are immediately at the bare bones; also the impact on current players not selected will be bad, as well the ability to recruit new players.

You've not been paying attention, we can still count the withheld CL prize money for next seasons (and the following seasons) FFPR calculations.
As for the 13+8 player cap we still don't know for certain even if it's true.
I'm starting to wonder whether City presumed 17+4 while UEFA were thinking 13+8 without saying anything to us. I've got this image of vitriolic emails and phone calls flying back and forth today with City threatening to ditch the entire thing and go the legal route after all.