FFP facing legal challenge (updated pg 12)

[There is a Light]

Re: Wall St Journal Article on FFP

I'd like City to take UEFA to the ECJ and then spend £250m on new players :D.

Sadly Sheikh Mansour isn't fun like that.

I know, boring bastard, spending just a billion or whatever it is on City!

Sort it out Mansour!

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

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I don't think we'll find too many City fans dissenting from a word of the article, because it's what many of us have been saying for a long time. What is significant is the prestigious publication it appeared in and the author who has taken UEFA on successfully in other cases.

 

[hoyage]

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The time is right for a strong reminder from the EU's antitrust authorities that football, like any other multibillion-euro industry, must comply with the law.

Mr. Dupont is a European competition lawyer specializing in professional sports.

That sounds like flighting talk to me. Maybe they gearing up already to put an end to the FFP joke.

 

[Seasideblue]

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Be interesting to see if any of our press pick up on it and change their opinion

 

[MSP]

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I've never come close to be lawyer let alone law expert but that's what I was always saying about FFP.

It is just impossible that FFP could survive court case, absolutely no chance. It's against competition laws, free trade laws, free movement of workers etc, etc - it's pure communism rule.

Will someone go as far to bring UEFA to court we're yet to see but if someone would he would win.

 

[Shaelumstash]

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The guy who wrote the article is clearly the leading expert in the field and has picked loads of holes in FFP without even being employed to do so.

I'm sure Sheik Mansour or MCFC will not want to be seen as a lone dissenting voice of FFP, so it's unlikely we will launch our own challenge. However, if we and some other "Silent partners" (PSG, Malaga etc) employed Mr Dupont and his firm to lodge an appeal to the regulations, there seems a fantastic chance they will be thrown out. You could even see that whole article as his pitch for the gig.<br /><br />-- Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:06 pm --<br /><br />

I've never come close to be lawyer let alone law expert but that's what I was always saying about FFP.

It is just impossible that FFP could survive court case, absolutely no chance. It's against competition laws, free trade laws, free movement of workers etc, etc - it's pure communism rule.

Will someone go as far to bring UEFA to court we're yet to see but if someone would he would win.

I don't think there's anything "communist" about the rules at all. It's protectionist and Monopolistic

 

[MSP]

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It stops people to invest their money as they find fit, regulates the market from central power and make it in no way free trading one and for someone who lived in communism for half of his life that's communist enough.

 

[TCIB]

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Does he track back ? sign him up Mansour :D

 

[rag_hater]

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Some of Europe's biggest clubs are, unsurprisingly, the loudest supporters of rules that entrench their dominance.












I think the lack of extravagence by us in the past few windows was us trying to be a member of this so called elite who make up the big clubs in Europe.But it also seems that we have kept our options open on the legal front as it seems we cannot be part of the "elite",we are gonna have to fuck em over in court

 

[Shaelumstash]

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It stops people to invest their money as they find fit, regulates the market from central power and make it in no way free trading one and for someone who lived in communism for half of his life that's communist enough.

Well to invent rules that protects 5 or 6 private commercial enterprises forever, and allow their customers to realise unlimited success, to the detriment of the customers of every other enterprise, sounds monopolistic to me.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

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Why always ste asked the question about why mid table clubs would vote for ffp and the only reason I can see is that the entrenchment effect would not stop at the " elite" clubs but would carry on down the table ensuring a PL place almost in perpetuity for themselves as lower clubs would not be able to attract serious investment and overtake their position. With the huge sums of TV money coming up next season what I think we are seeing is chairmen of clubs cravenly accepting that there is no possibility of their clubs ever winning anything and meekly accepting mediocrity as long as the Sky money keeps rolling in.
I wonder how their fans will feel when the realisation hits them of their clubs lack of ambition
Would you spend hundreds of pounds on a season ticket if you could predict to within a place or two , just where your club will finish, season after boring predictable season?
I can't wait to hear chairmen bemoaning the loss of revenue because fans no longer want to pay lots of money for very little return!
Turkeys and Xmas indeed

 

[Neil_K]

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Be interesting to see if any of our press pick up on it and change their opinion

I've sent a link over to Martin Samuel of the Mail assuming his email address is valid.

m.samuel@dailymail.co.uk

Hopefully Big Mart will be all over this like a rash if he's struggling to fill column inches and the Mail haven't got him writing about Immigrants, benefit scroungers and the like..

 

[MSP]

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It stops people to invest their money as they find fit, regulates the market from central power and make it in no way free trading one and for someone who lived in communism for half of his life that's communist enough.

Well to invent rules that protects 5 or 6 private commercial enterprises forever, and allow their customers to realise unlimited success, to the detriment of the customers of every other enterprise, sounds monopolistic to me.

Of course it is but you might reconsider your view about communism and monopoly. Monopoly is what communism is about - planned economy, state companies, no private investments, no free trade etc..

Of course FFP is not communism itself but smells heavily on it.

 

[ped]

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its a f***king cartel ,it needs a train steaming through the middle of it .will never forget the words,of one of the rags top men ,when they were floating on the u.s a stocck market,"ffp will play right into our hands".utd,munich,ajax,arsenal,et all,nothing lasts for ever,your days are numbered,bunch of twats ,rant over

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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It stops people to invest their money as they find fit, regulates the market from central power and make it in no way free trading one and for someone who lived in communism for half of his life that's communist enough.

Well to invent rules that protects 5 or 6 private commercial enterprises forever, and allow their customers to realise unlimited success, to the detriment of the customers of every other enterprise, sounds monopolistic to me.

Of course it is but you might reconsider your view about communism and monopoly. Monopoly is what communism is about - planned economy, state companies, no private investments, no free trade etc..

Of course FFP is not communism itself but smells heavily on it.

Communism is a weak analogy.

Protectionist Oligopoly would be more apt.

 

[MSP]

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Piss them, whatever we'd call it :)

 

[Shaelumstash]

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Well to invent rules that protects 5 or 6 private commercial enterprises forever, and allow their customers to realise unlimited success, to the detriment of the customers of every other enterprise, sounds monopolistic to me.

Of course it is but you might reconsider your view about communism and monopoly. Monopoly is what communism is about - planned economy, state companies, no private investments, no free trade etc..

Of course FFP is not communism itself but smells heavily on it.

Communism is a weak analogy.

Protectionist Oligopoly would be more apt.

Protectionist and Monopolistic is how I referred to it on the last page, so I completely agree with your analogy, oligopoly is a better word.

I do not wish to get in to a political debate, and understand the very personal view people have of communism, particularly when you have lived under it. However, whether it fulfil's the objectives or not, the ideology of communism is to introduce rules that make it equal for everyone. These FFP are anything but, they clearly protect the most powerful commercial enterprise, to the detriment of the weaker ones.

Also MSP, consider The Shite, Barca, Madrid, Munich, are not state companies, they are private commercial enterprises. These rules guarantee a financial windfall for their customers / shareholders.

The FFP rules have not been brought in to protect the state (in this case UEFA) they have been brought in because the Cartel of established European clubs have essentially blackmailed UEFA in to introducing the rules, or threatening to start their own European Super-League and cutting UEFA out completely.

 

[james1910]

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its not ufea we have to watch!!!!!!
its the fucker back home who are going to do us over if we are not carefull!!!!!!

 

[Mikeegrini]

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I'd like to buy that man a pint.

And who will challenge these rules so that they can be, or could be overturned?

No one will, and I include ourselves in that. Why would we? Think about it, we are inside pissing out now just like Chelsea and the Sh1te . This ruling insures the investment of our lovely owner.

 

[LoveCity]

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A very good cover letter by Jean-Louis Dupont, a member of the legal team who brought about the Bosman ruling. Now will City, PSG, Anzhi or anyone bite and get him to work on dismantling these rules? I suspect we'll quietly hope someone else like the fearless Russians, who continue to spit in the face of FFP, will do it for us.