JoeMercer'sWay said:All it means I reckon if it gets thrown out is barca and real and bayern get stronger while we get hindered by prem fairplay, which will just ensure the rags and arse get to the quarters every year and taking the money.
leipzigblue said:I smell the beginnings of a footballing civil war. The European League will happen, spurred on by UEFA and those clubs who advocate the FFP. Let them have it. Hopefully, another, fairer and fully representative governing body will be formed and the rest of Europe's clubs will join that, resulting in two bodies: One MLS-type, which will, after a massive initial sponsorship boost, slowly decline due to lack of supporter interest, and one which will be like the old UEFA, treating every country fairly, respecting fans and we'll see great old names having a crack at winning competitions again.
I so hope the EU tells Platini, Gill and Rummenigge, et al where to go. However, if those clubs really want their super league, they'll get it and shit on the rest of us in the process.
Anything could happen. Back in the late 70's Jimmy Hill was Chairman of Coventry who were sponsored by Talbot Cars. Not too sure how far it got, but he was seriously considering / negotiating changing Coventry City FC to Talbot City FC.Eastlands said:http://thepremierleagueowl.com/the-dark-side-of-financial-fair-play/
This article is an interesting slant on the effects of FFP and I wonder if City will be the forerunner in turning world-wide football into a corporate branding exercise in order to comply with the rules on expenditure
"To remain competitive in the future, and to preserve the financial resources that these clubs have become accustomed to utilising, they must all now fight each other for the false loyalties of fans worldwide".
"Within ten years, we’ll be watching teams who have adopted corporate branding into their names – there are no limits to how far these clubs will go to retain a competitive advantage, and the dark side of FFP is that it’s encouraging them to go to those depths. Before long, you won’t have favourite team, you’ll have a preferred franchise – crest alterations, ridiculously touring schedules, and an ever more diverse list of ‘official club partners’ are just the start of this process".
A recent email survey from City: -
Dear Ken
We would like your help in answering a few questions about a new product that is being considered. Manchester City would like to find a way to let its fans worldwide feel part of a global community of supporters. To do this, we are planning to create a new membership programme that would really put you at the heart of the club.
Is this the start of it? Manchester Etihad FC?
strongbowholic said:Anything could happen. Back in the late 70's Jimmy Hill was Chairman of Coventry who were sponsored by Talbot Cars. Not too sure how far it got, but he was seriously considering / negotiating changing Coventry City FC to Talbot City FC.Eastlands said:http://thepremierleagueowl.com/the-dark-side-of-financial-fair-play/
This article is an interesting slant on the effects of FFP and I wonder if City will be the forerunner in turning world-wide football into a corporate branding exercise in order to comply with the rules on expenditure
"To remain competitive in the future, and to preserve the financial resources that these clubs have become accustomed to utilising, they must all now fight each other for the false loyalties of fans worldwide".
"Within ten years, we’ll be watching teams who have adopted corporate branding into their names – there are no limits to how far these clubs will go to retain a competitive advantage, and the dark side of FFP is that it’s encouraging them to go to those depths. Before long, you won’t have favourite team, you’ll have a preferred franchise – crest alterations, ridiculously touring schedules, and an ever more diverse list of ‘official club partners’ are just the start of this process".
A recent email survey from City: -
Dear Ken
We would like your help in answering a few questions about a new product that is being considered. Manchester City would like to find a way to let its fans worldwide feel part of a global community of supporters. To do this, we are planning to create a new membership programme that would really put you at the heart of the club.
Is this the start of it? Manchester Etihad FC?
Bluep*ss said:Sory if this has been posted before - I haven't read the previous 23 pages..............
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Was it? All I know was it was the thin end of a very thick wedge where big business got it's nose in and has relentlessly pursued us ever since.badge said:strongbowholic said:Anything could happen. Back in the late 70's Jimmy Hill was Chairman of Coventry who were sponsored by Talbot Cars. Not too sure how far it got, but he was seriously considering / negotiating changing Coventry City FC to Talbot City FC.Eastlands said:http://thepremierleagueowl.com/the-dark-side-of-financial-fair-play/
This article is an interesting slant on the effects of FFP and I wonder if City will be the forerunner in turning world-wide football into a corporate branding exercise in order to comply with the rules on expenditure
"To remain competitive in the future, and to preserve the financial resources that these clubs have become accustomed to utilising, they must all now fight each other for the false loyalties of fans worldwide".
"Within ten years, we’ll be watching teams who have adopted corporate branding into their names – there are no limits to how far these clubs will go to retain a competitive advantage, and the dark side of FFP is that it’s encouraging them to go to those depths. Before long, you won’t have favourite team, you’ll have a preferred franchise – crest alterations, ridiculously touring schedules, and an ever more diverse list of ‘official club partners’ are just the start of this process".
A recent email survey from City: -
Dear Ken
We would like your help in answering a few questions about a new product that is being considered. Manchester City would like to find a way to let its fans worldwide feel part of a global community of supporters. To do this, we are planning to create a new membership programme that would really put you at the heart of the club.
Is this the start of it? Manchester Etihad FC?
coventry talbot, wasn't it?
Don't forget this timeless classic Mr Bow:strongbowholic said:Was it? All I know was it was the thin end of a very thick wedge where big business got it's nose in and has relentlessly pursued us ever since.badge said:strongbowholic said:Anything could happen. Back in the late 70's Jimmy Hill was Chairman of Coventry who were sponsored by Talbot Cars. Not too sure how far it got, but he was seriously considering / negotiating changing Coventry City FC to Talbot City FC.
coventry talbot, wasn't it?
Jimmy Hill.
He's a wanker, he's a wanker....
As we regularly sang.
BluessinceHydeRoad said:I think we're all in something of a panic about FFP and think we're going to be stuffed by an unholy alliance of English and European rivals. City fans are angry and some are scared: those running City don't give two hoots about FFP. Wonder why? Well, I suspect it's a question of scale. The PL and UEFA are frightened of Sheikh Mansour because of his personal wealth; he's about as rich (maybe just a touch less) than every other club owner in the PL put together, so those running football decide they'd better stop him spending HIS money on HIS football club. They'll find that the law won't let them do this, but they'll also find that it doesn't matter anyway. This is because the Sheikh is a businessman on a cosmic scale, handling countless companies, countless billions of $, of £, of euros etc. Posh people may not realise that when they stop off for a night in their 5* luxury hotel in London and have a meal there, the Sheikh figures somewhere in the shareholders of the hotel. And that's only a small part of the story. City is part of a mega-corporation. Try to stop it increasing its revenue when it's owner is rebuilding half of Manchester in the club's name, a chunk of New York for a club which City own, going to do the same thing in Shanghai and somewhere in South America. That's before we talk about the Emirates..."Football clubs can only spend what they earn." Give it 10 years and then just try spending half of what City earn!
BluessinceHydeRoad said:I think we're all in something of a panic about FFP and think we're going to be stuffed by an unholy alliance of English and European rivals. City fans are angry and some are scared: those running City don't give two hoots about FFP. Wonder why? Well, I suspect it's a question of scale. The PL and UEFA are frightened of Sheikh Mansour because of his personal wealth; he's about as rich (maybe just a touch less) than every other club owner in the PL put together, so those running football decide they'd better stop him spending HIS money on HIS football club. They'll find that the law won't let them do this, but they'll also find that it doesn't matter anyway. This is because the Sheikh is a businessman on a cosmic scale, handling countless companies, countless billions of $, of £, of euros etc. Posh people may not realise that when they stop off for a night in their 5* luxury hotel in London and have a meal there, the Sheikh figures somewhere in the shareholders of the hotel. And that's only a small part of the story. City is part of a mega-corporation. Try to stop it increasing its revenue when it's owner is rebuilding half of Manchester in the club's name, a chunk of New York for a club which City own, going to do the same thing in Shanghai and somewhere in South America. That's before we talk about the Emirates..."Football clubs can only spend what they earn." Give it 10 years and then just try spending half of what City earn!
Excellent sir!gordondaviesmoustache said:Don't forget this timeless classic Mr Bow:strongbowholic said:Was it? All I know was it was the thin end of a very thick wedge where big business got it's nose in and has relentlessly pursued us ever since.badge said:coventry talbot, wasn't it?
Jimmy Hill.
He's a wanker, he's a wanker....
As we regularly sang.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laDlpDsWdiE[/youtube]
If you read Platini's interview with Martin Samuel you'll see that the old G14 were behind him. FFP was clearly their price for staying in UEFA and disbanding in favour of the European Club Association.bellbuzzer said:very interesting thread so far, but we seem to be in limbo at the moment, waiting for the first shots to be fired.
Platini is the figure-head of FFP, but who is behind him, who is he representing? It cannot be one man on an ego-trip, the money at stake particularly t.v. rights will have attracted the likes of the Glazers for sure, but who else? Could BskyB have a big influence, BMW even, asian broadcasters, the problem is we don't know who our enemies are, except that there is serious money involved
Any clues anyone?
City had a decent fan base, stadium and a derelict area which their owner is gentrifying.