FFP facing legal challenge (updated pg 12)

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don't understand why you're so opposed to financial fair play. Do you want a game run by oil barons and Russian oligarchs, people who care nothing for clubs, treat them as play things and will inevitably asset strip them and walk away when they're bored, to the detriment of well run, solvent clubs? Paul1973, Chelmsford

I am sure Chelsea and City supporters don't want to end up like Portsmouth or Leeds United once their owners get bored. Sam, Sheffield

Whilst their concern for our club's future well being is most touching, of all the arguments relating to our owners the most preposterous is the "getting bored" one.

Who, in all seriousness, could ever get bored of owning a top football club? I can't think of anything more fun, engaging or intoxicating. To be able to shape and mould a sporting brand, especially one that wasn't previously so preeminent, has to be as good as it gets, at least as far as I'm concerned. It is the reason why otherwise profit driven, hard headed businessmen seemingly suspend all logic when owning, and continuing to own, football clubs. It is why no-one can point to an example of anyone unilaterally "walking away" from a top club for reasons other than them making a profit or being compelled to.

Someone who truly believes anyone could "get bored" of ownership, cannot have any real love or understanding of the game.

To paraphrase Samuel Johnson: to be bored of owning a football club is to be bored of life.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

 

[laserblue]

Paul in Chelmsford might want to muse on the savage irony in his comment "people who care nothing for clubs, treat them as play things and will inevitably asset strip them and walk away when they're bored" which applies infinitely more to the Glazers than either Sheik Mansour or Abramovich.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I love phrases like "get bored" and "walk away". They're so Hollywood, with images of setting suns and John Wayne. Fortunately, I can't work out what on earth they mean if its Sheikh Mansour and his hired guns Txiki Begiristain and Ferran soriano who are "getting bored" and "walking away" from...the cool billion the Sheikh has invested, the management structures and business model established and the new infrastructure in the pipeline. I'd rather do something easier, like borrow money, buy a club, load the club with the debt, milk it dry and then RUN away! But no-one would dream of doing that, would they?

 

[jrb]

That's right Paul.........,

£120mill to buy a club.
£500mill(?) to buy players.
£100mill to build a training complex.
£100mill to buy a MSL Franchise.
£? on one of the biggest leisure projects in the UK and Europe.
Perm the rest.

£90mill for next seasons Premier League title Winner.
£25mill-50mill CL prize money.
£70mill Nike kit deal
£400mill Etihad sponsorhsip deal.
£20mill season ticket sales.
Perm the rest.

Sheikh Mansour is about to walk away.(FFS!)

 

[waspish]

That's right Paul.........,

£120mill to buy a club.
£500mill(?) to buy players.
£100mill to build a training complex.
£100mill to buy a MSL Franchise.
£? on one of the biggest leisure projects in the UK and Europe.
Perm the rest.

£90mill for next seasons Premier League title Winner.
£25mill-50mill CL prize money.
£70mill Nike kit deal
£400mill Etihad sponsorhsip deal.
£20mill season ticket sales.
Perm the rest.

Sheikh Mansour is about to walk away.(FFS!)

Yeah but apart from that ;)

 

[SuperYaya]

I don't even understand why his interest is a factor. I doubt our owner actually does much in the running of the club, he made an investment and I expect that other people handle the club. Even if he did 'get bored' he could just assign all the work to someone else.

Now if the doubters wanted to argue something along the lines of our owner no longer seeing the benefit of his investment I might take it more seriously, but when someone says 'your owner will get bored' I just instantly put them in the category of 'moron'.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

"But but but dad...I thought you said FFP would stop little citeh...."

 

[ballinio]

Why isn't it a good thing for football? I welcome anyone that confronts and takes on the existing hegemony.

This.

The hypocrisy of rags and Gooners (of which MB is one, I think) over the issue of "buying success" never ceases to amuse, and in particular the rag anthem of "but we did it with our own money", as if there is some nobility inherent in gaining massive financial advantage in perpetuity, courtesy of a closed shop of a competition (complete with rigged seedings system), that no-one else has a hope in hell of getting into unless they have the good fortune to be taken over by someone like Abramovitch or Sheikh Mansour. For teams like Arsenal and the rags, the Chimps League is the Trojan horse they use to systematically relieve all putative contenders of their best players (particularly youngsters), whilst laughably promoting themselves as the great champions of home grown talent.
The example of Dortmund is a great case in point. Whilst the relatively less cash orientated and insular nature of the Bundesliga has helped them earn a place at the top table that will forever be denied to say Everton, no matter how hard they try, it still isn't enough to prevent the Deutsche version of the rags raping them senseless as a result.
FFP is blatant protectionism, and if Monaco can drive a coach and horses through Gill and Rummenigge's naked self interest, then bloody good luck to them. Dreams. It's what football's all about.......

Dreams? Dortmund have been the closest thing to 'dreams and romance' for the best part of a generation. Homegrown team from a working class town supported by a huge army of genuine fans. Sounds a bit like 50s United or 60s Celtic.

None of the new money clubs can claim the same level of romance attached to their recent success. City come closest by ticking the boxes 'good sized hardcore support, tradition, rivals to the personification of modern commercialised football that is United', but Monaco FFS? Olympique Marseille or St Etienne yes, but Monaco and football dreams doesn't add up

Dortmund , homegrown team ? half the team aren`t even german.

 

[bluemathlady]

How cute is that... Caring about whether our owner will get bored or not <3

 

[jrb]

Here's one for you Chaps.

The *German/BAYERN MODEL*.

Last season Bayern's *PROJECT* cost them-£43.648.000
This season Bayern's *PROJECT* cost them-£61.864.000

That's £105mill. A great *PROJECT*. A shining example for all other European Football Clubs to follow. Wait a minute! But.... Erm... It's supposed to be the *MODEL* to follow?

To be fair, Bayern made £5mill back via selling players.

Net spend £100mill.(but it's earned money jrb and not from a Billionaire, Sugar Daddy, etc)

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

The old owner getting bored routine ay....it amazes me that the fools who throw this old line out never seem to be worried about the likes of Aston Villa, Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Fulham and any more who have millionaire/billionaire owners....funny that

 

[Pam]

Every time one of the nouveau riche clubs splashes out, it hammers another nail in the FFP coffin.

You sure? Apart from Chelsea's fluke in 2012 the Champions League has been dominated by Munich, Barca, United, Madrid, the big 3 Italians and Liverpool. The only party poopers have been Ajax, Dortmund and Porto. Those are the kind if clubs who get raped for daring to be competitive. The giants won't be wiped out by the likes of Monaco.

You have entirely missed the point, I think. It doesn't matter whether the likes of Monaco triumph in Europe. All that matters is that they would usually be expected to have a small turn over compared to the R Mads and swamp dwellers of this world but are spending big anyway.

We're Man City
We'll spend what we want.

 

[JGL07]

Every time one of the nouveau riche clubs splashes out, it hammers another nail in the FFP coffin.

You sure? Apart from Chelsea's fluke in 2012 the Champions League has been dominated by Munich, Barca, United, Madrid, the big 3 Italians and Liverpool. The only party poopers have been Ajax, Dortmund and Porto. Those are the kind if clubs who get raped for daring to be competitive. The giants won't be wiped out by the likes of Monaco.

Liverpool? If Chelsea's win was a fluke, what was Liverpool's win. They haven't even qualified for the CL in three years. If Chelsea, Ajax, Dortmund, and Porto were party poopers the same could be said of Liverpool, Juventus, and Inter, with one win each. At least they have one more win than Arsenal!

Your pathetic attempt to talk up the 'old money' clubs is looking extremely strained.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

The old owner getting bored routine ay....it amazes me that the fools who throw this old line out never seem to be worried about the likes of Aston Villa, Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Fulham and any more who have millionaire/billionaire owners....funny that

What's more likely to induce boredom?

Owning Sunderland: ground two thirds full; league ambition - mid-table, at best; no European games; reasonable possibility of a good cup run; local derby - Newcastle.

Owning City: ground sold out every week, expansion in the pipeline; league ambition - to win it; European games - Champions League; strong possibility of a good cup run: local derby - second biggest game in European club football.

Oh the agony of choice.

In any event who the fuck could ever "get bored" of running the wonderful insane asylum that is Manchester City?

 

[citysix]

mcfc nycfc..etc etc world domination..bored!! not on your Nelly.the good lord sheikh mansour knows the future is ours..as us blues know this is still beginning.FFP lmfao

 

[bluevengence]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

The old owner getting bored routine ay....it amazes me that the fools who throw this old line out never seem to be worried about the likes of Aston Villa, Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Fulham and any more who have millionaire/billionaire owners....funny that

Walk away eh!...they wish....what the fools don`t understand is that this is just the begining..

in the words of Bachman Turner Overdrive..."YOU AIN`T SEEN NOTHING YET"

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

The old owner getting bored routine ay....it amazes me that the fools who throw this old line out never seem to be worried about the likes of Aston Villa, Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Fulham and any more who have millionaire/billionaire owners....funny that

Walk away eh!...they wish....what the fools don`t understand is that this is just the begining..

in the words of Bachman Turner Overdrive..."YOU AIN`T SEEN NOTHING YET"

These utter and complete morons clearly have no idea of what our owner's intentions are.

 

[M18CTID]

Paul moron Chelmsford still trots out that favourite line of owners " getting bored"
That's why Abramovich and sheikh Mansour are such successful businessmen - they like to invest millions of their own money into a project and then "get bored" and walk away!!!
I don't suppose that fool actually reads this forum but just in case - you illustrate perfectly the gulf between successful, shrewd, intelligent businessmen and tedious little non achieving zeroes like yourself!
And while we're here , given the amount of high street business failures , when can we expect Tesco, Sainsburys et al to demand a law be passed to protect small businesses from going bankrupt, because that , after all , is the only fair thing to do!?!?

The old owner getting bored routine ay....it amazes me that the fools who throw this old line out never seem to be worried about the likes of Aston Villa, Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Fulham and any more who have millionaire/billionaire owners....funny that

What's more likely to induce boredom?

Owning Sunderland: ground two thirds full; league ambition - mid-table, at best; no European games; reasonable possibility of a good cup run; local derby - Newcastle.

Owning City: ground sold out every week, expansion in the pipeline; league ambition - to win it; European games - Champions League; strong possibility of a good cup run: local derby - second biggest game in European club football.

Oh the agony of choice.

In any event who the fuck could ever "get bored" of running the wonderful insane asylum that is Manchester City?

Fantastically put as always. I'd also hazard a guess that for all the Sheikh's business interests, while owning City is hardly his most profitable, it may well give him the most satisfaction. Selling those shares in Barclays at a huge profit no doubt gave him a buzz but moments like Aguero's title-winning goal are priceless.

 

[bluevengence]

Then their is always little sheikh mansour to carry on the good work...in say 30 years time

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