FFP Timeline For Information

MillionMilesAway said:
In the blog it says this

9. On 15 May 2019, the Investigatory Chamber issued the Referral Decision (“Referral Decision”). This was the eve of the 5 year anniversary of the 2014 Settlement Agreement. It is unlikely, in my view, this was co-incidental (cf Article 37[7] of UEFA’s Procedural Rules governing the UEFA CFCB).

As I read it, if 15 May is the eve, then he doesn't believe that 16th was outside the period.
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Also, from the UEFA CFCB Procedural Rules, does the last point below mean 20th Dec - 5th Jan is not included in the time limit? I’m not clear on what it means. Or does it just mean that should the deadline fall in that period, you effectively have an extension due to Christmas and new year? Not sure.

Article 37 – Statute of limitations

Prosecution is barred after five years for all breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and
Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Article 38 – Time limits

1 A time limit begins on the date from which the decision is notified or published, whichever is the earlier. It is considered to have been observed if acted upon by 24.00 CET (Central European Time) on the deadline date. Official holidays and non-working days are included in the calculation of time limits. When a deadline expires on a Saturday, Sunday or public holiday in the Swiss canton of Vaud, where UEFA's headquarters are located, it is carried forward to the next working day.

2 On receipt of a reasoned, written request, the CFCB chief investigator or CFCB chairman may extend a time limit.

3 Time limits are interrupted from 20 December to 5 January inclusive.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Also, from the UEFA CFCB Procedural Rules, does the last point below mean 20th Dec - 5th Jan is not included in the time limit? I’m not clear on what it means.

Article 37 – Statute of limitations

Prosecution is barred after five years for all breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and
Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Article 38 – Time limits

1 A time limit begins on the date from which the decision is notified or published, whichever is the earlier. It is considered to have been observed if acted upon by 24.00 CET (Central European Time) on the deadline date. Official holidays and non-working days are included in the calculation of time limits. When a deadline expires on a Saturday, Sunday or public holiday in the Swiss canton of Vaud, where UEFA's headquarters are located, it is carried forward to the next working day.

2 On receipt of a reasoned, written request, the CFCB chief investigator or CFCB chairman may extend a time limit.

3 Time limits are interrupted from 20 December to 5 January inclusive.
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I think it just means "we're shut and all depositions will be moved to the next day we're open", as per the public holiday line.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I think it just means "we're shut and all depositions will be moved to the next day we're open", as per the public holiday line.
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Yeah probably. Isn’t it mad that we play Real Madrid tonight but the main thing we have to talk about is articles within regulations and legal matters. Football is not about football for us!
 
Shouldn't 4 & 3 be swapped if those dates are correct 3rd is before 5th or 8th
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Yeah probably. Isn’t it mad that we play Real Madrid tonight but the main thing we have to talk about is articles within regulations and legal matters. Football is not about football for us!
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Indeed. That probably says something, I reckon tonight's result is anybody's guess - could go any way.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
it does help, I think the thread will turn into a discussion though. But it would be good to have a factual thread because I stopped believing anything in the other threads.
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Agree - the Ops post is great. I don't bother with the mega thread as its 99% hysteria and moaning and only 1% useful and informative.

Maybe keep this one for factual updates - keep it locked otherwise.
 
Gordyola said:
Here is the City / FFP timeline, with links to documents and articles to confirm dates

  1. 02 May 2014 Nine FFP Investigations Opened UEFA
  2. 16 May 2014 City Sign Settlement Agreement UEFA
  3. 05 /08 November 2018 Der Spiegel publish stolen emails Chapter 1 Chapter 2 Chapter 3 Chapter 4
  4. 03 November 2018 City Statement SKY
  5. 03 january 2019 UEFA Chief Investigator Leterme, City could face a ban https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...stigator-confirms-manchester-city-could-face/
  6. 07 March 2019 UEFA Announce Investigation into City UEFA
  7. 07 March 2019 Club Statement re Opening of Formal Investigation CITY
  8. 13 May 2019 NYT Tariq Panja Leaks Suggest Ban to be Recommended BBC NYT
  9. 16 May 2019 UEFA Refer City to Adjudicatory Chamber Link UEFA
  10. 16 May 2019 Club Statement re Referral to AC by IC (Leterme) CITY
  11. 06 June 2019 CAS MCFC Files Appeal at CAS
  12. 15 November 2019 CAS Decide City’s Appeal Against IC Procedure is Inadmissible CAS
  13. 14 Feb 2020 Club Statement re Decision of AC CITY
  14. 26 February 2020 CAS Confirm City’s Appeal Against AC Punishment CAS


CAS Court for Arbitration for Sport https://www.tas-cas.org/en/index.html
IC UEFA Investigative Chamber AC UEFA Adjudicatory Chamber https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/protecting-the-game/club-financial-controlling-body/
UEFA CFCB Club Financial Control Body
https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Clublicensing/02/60/83/59/2608359_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Dates 2 and 9 are significant as it shows the five years between the initial punishment and the referral to AC to meet the deadline, although some think that the start of the process was the start of the five years date 1

Hope this helps, I don't intend this tread to be for discussions plenty of those already. Please let me know any errors and any other significant dates that need adding
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Looking at dates 2 & 9, it would seem to me to be 1 day over the five year limit.
If the settlement date is 16th May 2014 then the last date for any future punishment would end on the 15th May 2019.

just my thoughts!
 
Mid Wales blue said:
Looking at dates 2 & 9, it would seem to me to be 1 day over the five year limit.
If the settlement date is 16th May 2014 then the last date for any future punishment would end on the 15th May 2019.

just my thoughts!
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According to the appeal we made earlier to CAS ...

{P2}
6. On 16 May 2014, following an investigation opened on 11 February 2014 into perceived breaches by MCFC of the UEFA CL&FFPR, UEFA and MCFC entered into a settlement agreement (the “Settlement Agreement”), which, inter alia, specifies that MCFC did not admit to be in breach of the UEFA CL&FFPR.

{P3}
11. On 15 May 2019, the Investigatory Chamber issued the Referral Decision.
16. The Investigatory Chamber ... issued the Referral Decision in the evening of 15 May 2019.

I'm assuming these are not disputed by either side so looks like they were in time.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
According to the appeal we made earlier to CAS ...

{P2}
6. On 16 May 2014, following an investigation opened on 11 February 2014 into perceived breaches by MCFC of the UEFA CL&FFPR, UEFA and MCFC entered into a settlement agreement (the “Settlement Agreement”), which, inter alia, specifies that MCFC did not admit to be in breach of the UEFA CL&FFPR.

{P3}
11. On 15 May 2019, the Investigatory Chamber issued the Referral Decision.
16. The Investigatory Chamber ... issued the Referral Decision in the evening of 15 May 2019.

I'm assuming these are not disputed by either side so looks like they were in time.
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bummer!

and there was me thinking, I’d just saved the club a few million in legal fees. :-(
 
goldcoastblue. Going by what you have put down you're right. It looks like UEFA have cocked up big time. It looks like they forgot that February 2016 was a leap year. Therefore the adjudicatory board should have this by the 15th May and not the 16th. Therefore all charges should have been dropped. However I foresee that UEFA will not let take this lying down, and will be looking for new charges to bring against us.

The only way this will stop is to bring charges against all both boards of UEFA for theft. AS the e-mails were stolen in this country, therefore the theft happened here, also at the same time I would bring the same charges against the board of DER SPIEGEL as well. I would be looking for damages in the region of £50 million form UEFA organization plus a further £50 million from those on both the boards of UEFA, and a further £30 million for DER SPIEGEL. If this bankrupts either of them so be it.
 
King KdB of Belgium said:
goldcoastblue. Going by what you have put down you're right. It looks like UEFA have cocked up big time. It looks like they forgot that February 2016 was a leap year. Therefore the adjudicatory board should have this by the 15th May and not the 16th. Therefore all charges should have been dropped. However I foresee that UEFA will not let take this lying down, and will be looking for new charges to bring against us.

The only way this will stop is to bring charges against all both boards of UEFA for theft. AS the e-mails were stolen in this country, therefore the theft happened here, also at the same time I would bring the same charges against the board of DER SPIEGEL as well. I would be looking for damages in the region of £50 million form UEFA organization plus a further £50 million from those on both the boards of UEFA, and a further £30 million for DER SPIEGEL. If this bankrupts either of them so be it.
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You're completely, barking mad, aren't you?
That leap year bobbins is so bonkers...

And then it gets worse and madder.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Also, from the UEFA CFCB Procedural Rules, does the last point below mean 20th Dec - 5th Jan is not included in the time limit? I’m not clear on what it means. Or does it just mean that should the deadline fall in that period, you effectively have an extension due to Christmas and new year? Not sure.

Article 37 – Statute of limitations

Prosecution is barred after five years for all breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and
Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Article 38 – Time limits

1 A time limit begins on the date from which the decision is notified or published, whichever is the earlier. It is considered to have been observed if acted upon by 24.00 CET (Central European Time) on the deadline date. Official holidays and non-working days are included in the calculation of time limits. When a deadline expires on a Saturday, Sunday or public holiday in the Swiss canton of Vaud, where UEFA's headquarters are located, it is carried forward to the next working day.

2 On receipt of a reasoned, written request, the CFCB chief investigator or CFCB chairman may extend a time limit.

3 Time limits are interrupted from 20 December to 5 January inclusive.
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Doesn't mean anything in the context of Article 37. Article 38 is not relevant here.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
According to the appeal we made earlier to CAS ...

{P2}
6. On 16 May 2014, following an investigation opened on 11 February 2014 into perceived breaches by MCFC of the UEFA CL&FFPR, UEFA and MCFC entered into a settlement agreement (the “Settlement Agreement”), which, inter alia, specifies that MCFC did not admit to be in breach of the UEFA CL&FFPR.

{P3}
11. On 15 May 2019, the Investigatory Chamber issued the Referral Decision.
16. The Investigatory Chamber ... issued the Referral Decision in the evening of 15 May 2019.

I'm assuming these are not disputed by either side so looks like they were in time.
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Article 37 says 5 years from breach. Any breach prior to 15 May 2014 is barred.
 
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