Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If proved illegal, would the contract he received become null and void?

And if so that would surely make the sell on percentages being mooted as also now void.... stinks of rags

An illegal contract is void ab initio.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

An illegal contract is void ab initio.

So we’d lose the privileges attached to the later contract, surely?

 

[Henkeman]

An illegal contract is void ab initio.

Are you sure? Most contracts have clauses that specify that if any element is found illegal that clause is considered severable from the rest of it?

 

[Shirley]

If proved illegal, would the contract he received become null and void?

And if so that would surely make the sell on percentages being mooted as also now void.... stinks of rags

Definitely stinks of rags.

It's usually CL week when see negative City articles in the media, the rags are desperate to maintain their European reputation at the expense of City.

It's bacon and his foot soldiers.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Are you sure? Most contracts have clauses that specify that if any element is found illegal that clause is considered severable from the rest of it?

If the contract is void from the outset, its clauses carry zero force, surely.

My original post was probably not very well worded. A contract that arises from illegality is void ab ignitio, such as an unwritten employment contract where the employee is paid cash in hand. I’m 99% certain that is not an enforceable contract, irrespective of whatever boiler plate clauses are inserted. I’m pretty sure the same applies in relation to contracts that are formed via fraud. Any other position would surely be untenable for public policy reasons.

I’m no expert in contract law btw, so happy to be pointed in the right direction if I’m wrong and I’m certainly not saying this ‘contract’ is or isn’t illegal!

 

[Henkeman]

If the contract is void from the outset, its clauses carry zero force, surely.

My original post was probably not very well worded. A contract that arises from illegality is void ab ignitio, such as an unwritten employment contract where the employee is paid cash in hand. I’m 99% certain that is not an enforceable contract, irrespective of whatever boiler plate clauses are inserted. I’m pretty sure the same applies in relation to contracts that are formed via fraud. Any other position would surely be untenable for public policy reasons.

I’m no expert in contract law btw, so happy to be pointed in the right direction if I’m wrong and I’m certainly not saying this ‘contract’ is or isn’t illegal!

No, I'm no contract lawyer either, it was a question not a counterpoint. I would guess you're right that if the actual creation of the contract was illegal, then the whole thing would be set aside, whereas if it's an element, then the contract itself is valid. But equally, I may stand to be corrected too.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Why qatar

They are in a state of undeclared war with UAE / Saudi Arabia. It also helps to take the spotlight off their purchases and full scale a abuse of FFP.

There is of course there is the rags but the payments to Fletcher Moss Rangers F.C. and the head coach for Rashford, Linngard and Wes Brown can also be looked at in a very similar light.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Thinking in a very Machiavellian manner about this latest leak, we could actually have leaked this ourselves. Especially if this is the only smoking gun lying around.
Then again I dont think our talent spotter section has been that clever judging by the English transfers that we were done for. So probably not.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

City only need to improves some of their practices and stop some idiots writing confidential information down. No doubt putting a confidential header on many of these emails accelerated how quickly Der Spiegel could identify sensitive information.

When the dust settles on this saga there will be some heads rolling in City's senior management. I have no doubt that we have been victims of a dirty tricks campaign but we have made it easy for our enemies. How stupid is it to put confidential information in an open email system? You would have thought we would have learned lessons from the Gary Cook/ Mrs Onuoha incident.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The press reports on the Chelsea ban/fine seem to be having a go as us more than they do about Chelsea. Very bizarre.