Gender Neutral language

geoff clipp said:
Would be good to know the full story as to what's happened here as those details are kind of vague. Like you don't tend to gender people when you're directly addressing them (i.e the question in this instance would be "what are YOUR thoughts?" rather than use of his/her?) so it would be interesting to know the background to the conversation and how it actually went.

Personally I think it's only polite to refer to people as they wish to be referred to and I think a gradual shift towards being more accommodating/tolerant towards all sections of society will be of benefit to of us all in the end (even it takes a period of adjustment). Policing it in an over zealous fashion will only undermine such efforts though and won't help anybody in the long run. In fact it will create pockets of people willfully resisting efforts to improve inclusivity which in turn will be harmful to those seeking wider acceptance.
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I agree with this.

Made me think about how I speak and refer to people in the workplace.
 
geoff clipp said:
Would be good to know the full story as to what's happened here as those details are kind of vague. Like you don't tend to gender people when you're directly addressing them (i.e the question in this instance would be "what are YOUR thoughts?" rather than use of his/her?) so it would be interesting to know the background to the conversation and how it actually went.

Personally I think it's only polite to refer to people as they wish to be referred to and I think a gradual shift towards being more accommodating/tolerant towards all sections of society will be of benefit to of us all in the end (even it takes a period of adjustment). Policing it in an over zealous fashion will only undermine such efforts though and won't help anybody in the long run. In fact it will create pockets of people willfully resisting efforts to improve inclusivity which in turn will be harmful to those seeking wider acceptance.
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Get a load of her
 
mat said:
I agree with this.

Made me think about how I speak and refer to people in the workplace.
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Yeah it's something i've thought more about too lately. People seem to get very irate at being asked to look at how they address people but i don't think it's a lot to take on board really. I'm cis-gendered and all of my main circle of friends are family are so i haven't really thought much in the past about how it makes people feel to be constantly misgendered. A lot of the assumptions built into how we use language can force people to have to constantly explain themselves and "come out" so to speak. It surprises me how many gay friends say they are still asked about boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands/wives by doctors or other public professionals in a way where it's automatically assumed they're heterosexual. Thought modern society might be at a point where we don't assume such things about people but it would seem lots of people are still being forced to come out/correct people a lot of the time. Trans issues are still a long way behind gay ones though when it comes to public understanding, so people should be given time to get used to changing attitudes rather than feel like they're being forced. Otherwise people who might have been open minded receptive will just push back and it'll be trans people who ultimately end up marginalised in the process.
 
geoff clipp said:
Personally I think it's only polite to refer to people as they wish to be referred to and I think a gradual shift towards being more accommodating/tolerant towards all sections of society will be of benefit to of us all in the end (even it takes a period of adjustment). Policing it in an over zealous fashion will only undermine such efforts though and won't help anybody in the long run. In fact it will create pockets of people willfully resisting efforts to improve inclusivity which in turn will be harmful to those seeking wider acceptance.
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Places like New York currently recognise 31 different gender identities.

Imagine if each identity had it's own pronoun similiar to as shown in this link https://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/

Do you not see any potential problems? especially if you could be fined $250k for getting it wrong (as is the case in New York).
 
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