General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ban-jani]

This is an issue that's always going to be really hard to mitigate for, whoever is in charge. You can't stand in the way of progress but the flip side is that those advances in technology remove the manual effort we needed historically... A tough one for all of us

People have said the same throughout history. The industrial revolution was apparently going to put everyone out of work, as was the introduction of PC’s.

It’s hard to predict but there is the chance just as many humans are needed.

 

[Cheesy]

Lavery on the Beeb defending the Labour manifesto. Madness.

The defeat is all down to Brexit apparently. Which is bollocks. There's no way a defeat of this magnitude is solely down to Brexit. If this were the case, people like me, who would rathe we stayed in the EU, would not still have voted Tory.

Yes, Brexit has played a major part, but for many the thought of a Corbyn led Labour Government was even worse than Brexit

 

[robbieh]

Improving the lives of the lower classes is a tentative thing for the Tory’s to do. Their core voters don’t want that. They want to keep a foot on the necks of the lower classes so that they can prosper while the lower classes remain on the ground. Giving the lower classes more prosperous lives will upset a lot of rich and powerful people.

But I’ve said a few pages back that if this Tory govt get it right they could keep out Labour indefinitely until a new centre left party emerge. They could keep the working class vote if they do things right for them.

So what do the Tory’s do?

Is this a “New Conservatives”? Or the same old same old who’ve just strung along millions, using them for a short term win?

It agree it's not in their DNA but Johnson's ego might lead him down the paternal Tory route.
However events might put a break on that. The world faces serious challenges and the UK post Brexit will be a minor player on the world stage.

 

[Ban-jani]

...from subservient journalists.

When he was properly questioned he hid in a fridge.

Like I said, avoiding scrutiny will now be the norm along with campaigning as far right nationalists.

I think you do a disservice to those that did interview him, I get the impression you’re looking at it with some bias.

He avoided the climate debate and Andrew Neil but didn’t he break a record for the amount he did in total?

The Tories aren’t far right nationalists lol, I wonder what you’d say if you ever came across a party that was.

I don’t like Johnson or the Tories but we need to be objective in all of this.

 

[Gray]

As opposed to all the Europeans who make your coffee, teach your kids, heal your sick in Manchester? Why is it rotten that they come and fill jobs that we need? That is my big problem with Brexit, the way people view Europeans who help our country and economy... it's madness.

Nothing against the people of Europe it is the career polititians who I am dead set against.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

You couldn't make it up lmao

 

[inchy14]

What do you mean "harvested the data"? That in itself isn't illegal.

They need to blame someone, anyone but the shambles of a manifesto and crackpot leader.

It's now going to be all the Media's fault/Conspiracy shite regarding CA.

 

[robbieh]

Lavery on the Beeb defending the Labour manifesto. Madness.

The defeat is all down to Brexit apparently. Which is bollocks. There's no way a defeat of this magnitude is solely down to Brexit. If this were the case, people like me, who would rathe we stayed in the EU, would not still have voted Tory.

Yes, Brexit has played a major part, but for many the thought of a Corbyn led Labour Government was even worse than Brexit

I said days ago that Tories would vote with their wallets regardless of their desired Brexit outcome whereas Labour leavers' desire to get Brexit done would trump any other consideration.

 

[dave_blue12]

If Scotland leaves the UK and comes to rely upon oil then seriously they are in for a whole world of pain. Oil is one of the most volatile and politically sensitive commodities there is.

If you understand the oil industry then you'll understand that sitting on any number of oil reserves is pointless. Oil has to be taken from the ground, refined and then sold as a final product. All of that comes at a cost.

The amount of oil under Scottish waters is therefore irrelevant, all that matters is whether those oil reserves are feasible and profitable which is driven by the cost it takes to get it of the ground against the oil price of the day.

The Saudi oil companies etc are major producers, Scotland is not. They could put Scotland out of business overnight because they can absorb low oil prices. We saw this immediately after the Scottish referendum when Saudi oil tankers were circling in the gulf because of high supply.

It would be utter stupidity to leave the UK.

Something being stupid does not preclude it happening....

Brexit

 

[Gray]

Conservatives are on a gain of 47 seats of which 38 were constituencies that had voted leave in the 2016 Referendum but the sitting MP had consistantly voted against the leave Bills in Parliament.

I know Corby was some of the problem for Labour but those MP's who ignored the wishes of their constituents got what they deserved.