General Election - December 12th, 2019

[BLUEMATT23]

Even as a remainer and labour supporter I’ve got to agree with everything you say here. I think we had a valid point about the Brexit vote being a farce but the country has certainly decided properly now and we’ve got to accept that’s what most of the country now want. But I put the blame fully on the pathetic efforts of the Labour Party and their whishy washy stance on Brexit. Just hope Johnson keeps at least some of his promises. I doubt it. Wouldn’t trust any of them on either side as far as I could throw them though unfortunately.

Yes.
To he honest to me labour and lib dems missed a trick with their whole approach.
If they said right ok we dont like Brexit but we deal with it and accept it. We will go through with it and push for a new vote say in 10 years time to rejoin.
That approach would have kept their decorum and integrity and probably a whole load of seats.
I'm not being anti labour and have voted for them in the past but the conservatives are the best party to lead the country as it stands.

 

[BosnianBlue]

KN


Every single one of my Rangers pals vote SNP. Didn't follow rest of your post.

I thought it's Celtic fans who are naturally against England and other lot opposite, but guess I am not informed well.

The rest of it is that you had a chance to get a country only few years ago on easy way; without war where most countries are being born, and bottled it. Whoever was that 52 majority that voted against independence.

 

[Magicpole]

You aren't. Nobody I know thinks that. We accept you vote differently. We don't agree, but we realise it's your shout. We just ask our shout means something. That's it. Half a million English people live here. 10% of the pop. It's a sham stoked up to cause division.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Corbyn obviously needs to go but I think had the level of intensity from the tabloid media been applied to Boris instead we'd have been looking at a very different result this morning.

Obviously doesn't detract that Corbyn has failed

It was not level playing field definitely. It's hard to win anything in such circumstances. I hope I understand the most reasons about the result of last night, but that was not possible without media.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I totally agree , Scotland will be fine as an independent nation , it would also be fine as part of the United Kingdom.

it’s totally upto the good people of Scotland where their destiny goes and I don’t understand why any English toff would prevent that. Really what the fuck has it got to do with them.

People in that country should decide democratically which way they go and having done that that vote should be respected.

Yep totally agree see September 18th 2014.

 

[MCFC1993]

How fucking depressing.

One of my main worries with the result.

'Legitimising' the views of blatant racists who will now feel vindicated.

How long until we hear about the rise in racial and homophobic attacks?

A lot of extreme right wingers have jumped on the Tory bandwagon and my worry is the people that they will then in turn incentivise.

 

[Manc in London]

they weren’t against labour when they were moderate and electable though were they? The press was supportive then.

Not sure it quite works like that. I think it is more likely that support is given to those who deliver most benefits to the very wealthy press barons.

 

[jimharri]

Maybe they should accept that the people have voted and accept the result. Radical, I know.

 

[Magicpole]

I thought it's Celtic fans who are naturally against England and other lot opposite, but guess I am not informed well.

The rest of it is that you had a chance to get a country only few years ago on easy way; without war where most countries are being born, and bottled it. Whoever was that 52 majority that voted against independence.

We aren't. I'm a Celtic fan and I love England and the English, well most of them.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

oh dear len, the usual suspects never lost the election, labour did.

labour need to make themselves electable and if they don’t people won’t vote for them. It’s really as simple as that.

blaming the usual suspects won’t change the result. I suggest you look to momentum and Corbyn for that.

Couldn't have put it much better myself.

People buy the person, not just the product. If people don't like the leader, instead of calling them thick, greedy and too easily influenced by the media, pick a leader that maybe IS more electable. Like one that doesn't have a history that can be thrown back at him. One that hasn't consistently supported terrorist organisations or objectionable regimes & individuals. A leader that, when confronted by clear evidence of racism in his party, takes decisive steps to stamp it out & deal firmly with the offenders. A leader that quickly recognises what his natural electorate wants on the key issue of the day, has a clear and logical position on it and doesn't try to ride three horses with one arse.

'Get Brexit Done' may be a vapid phrase but it's far snappier than 'We'll negotiate a new deal in 3 months, which is far better than the one that took 2 years, hold a referendum on it but we'll campaign against it (or at least some of us will) but we're not sure what we'll do if the result isn't the one we want, assuming we actually know what we want'. Get the picture?

Someone like Lynton Crosby would charge a fortune for that advice but I'm giving it to you for nothing.