General Election - December 12th, 2019

[BosnianBlue]

Do we have cunts who embarress us? Absolutely. Are we all like that? No.

No, I was just talking about political views, not about football hooligans. With the Celtic Irish links, I'd expect there is much more support for separating with England between your lot, then with one across the road. Again, I have just a little first hand experience, so definitely not expert, but it looks logical.

 

[M18CTID]

The attacks from the media also had an effect,why would you even say it didn't,shocking personal attacks day after day for years,if the media doesn't sway people then they wouldn't bother doing it
We complain about media bias and attacks on city,it works

I’m not saying the media haven’t had any influence but less people read the papers these days, the TV media were a lot less biased than the print media, and more and more people get their info from elsewhere these days. Social media is the biggie and while the Tories are by no means innocent, Twitter and Facebook was like a walking advert for Corbyn and Labour and you’d have been forgiven for thinking Labour were going to piss it at the ballot box going off that alone.
The attacks were from both sides and let’s be honest here - there was some pretty vicious shit from the Momentum mob being flung about. The overriding fact for me though is that there is no appetite for Corbyn and his left-wing politics amongst the majority of the population. That’s because most of us are in the centre ground. Win the centre ground and you win the election. It’s not rocket science. Labour probably don’t even have to move as far across as Blair did. If John Smith were still around, he’d have won this election with his eyes closed IMO.

 

[mexico1970]

Had to turn it off my Dog was having a dickie fit.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I’d say that’s a lot more even, yes. I wouldn’t say the bbc is left leaning, not any more, some of the others absolutely. Well, centrist at least. A bit of that is the Overton window has shifted too.

In terms of the papers, that’s a bit of chicken and egg thing but it’s disregarding their influence for changing public perception and opinion themselves. They can set the agenda as much as conform to it and then amplify it.

Just look at the panels and audiences the BBC throw up - anyone would think Labour, liberals and remainers would walk it - however in the real world clearly not.
Every game show, especially channel 4,
remorseless piss taking of Tories and Brexit supporters. Well the jokes in reverse.

 

[urban genie]

We do need PR to come in.

Now I accept we lost as per the system and shit happens, but when you combine just the lib dem and labour vote share together it is the same at the conservatives yet the result of 13M vote for the tories gives 365 seats yet 10M and 3M for the labs and libs give out only 213 seats.

It also skews it as can be seen tonight with the protests in London, 13M out of 67M means this election won't stop the division in the country

PR or electoral reform will need to be looked at as the country is still divided.

 

[M18CTID]

Maybe they should accept that the people have voted and accept the result. Radical, I know.

I agree but they have a right to protest, futile as it is.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Yes.
To he honest to me labour and lib dems missed a trick with their whole approach.
If they said right ok we dont like Brexit but we deal with it and accept it. We will go through with it and push for a new vote say in 10 years time to rejoin.
That approach would have kept their decorum and integrity and probably a whole load of seats.
I'm not being anti labour and have voted for them in the past but the conservatives are the best party to lead the country as it stands.

Best of a bad bunch, how do you feel about supporting a pm who didn’t believe in brexit but thought it would be good for his career? Fuck knows why non of the national press have kept asking this question repeatedly since May stepped down, I’d imagine it’s because of their vested interests don’t you think?

Boris being PM is like Ollie taking the city job.

 

[BosnianBlue]

We do need PR to come in.

Now I accept we lost as per the system and shit happens, but when you combine just the lib dem and labour vote share together it is the same at the conservatives yet the result of 13M vote for the tories gives 365 seats yet 10M and 3M for the labs and libs give out only 213 seats.

It also skews it as can be seen tonight with the protests in London, 13M out of 67M means this election won't stop the division in the country

PR or electoral reform will need to be looked at as the country is still divided.

the only thing you don't miss with PR system is political trade that surely happens after. Just today we had one over here, where the the biggest party in the country bought two smallest parties to overtake the government of the Sarajevo municipality which has the biggest budget in the country, despite these two were saying they would never in a million years go with the biggest one.

 

[urban genie]

Maybe they should accept that the people have voted and accept the result. Radical, I know.

We as a nation have a strong history of protesting, FPTP will never represent all the peolle and such a figure as johnson will always be protested about.

And tbh that is pretty tame, I remember the poll tax riots being very combatative.

Though it is telling that recent protests have been quite civil and the police have been non combatative, tonight, probably under orders the first response was to draw battons and an agressive stance.

Not seen that since thatcher.

 

[blueparrot]

Yes.
To he honest to me labour and lib dems missed a trick with their whole approach.
If they said right ok we dont like Brexit but we deal with it and accept it. We will go through with it and push for a new vote say in 10 years time to rejoin.
That approach would have kept their decorum and integrity and probably a whole load of seats.
I'm not being anti labour and have voted for them in the past but the conservatives are the best party to lead the country as it stands.

How could it possibly keep their integrity, if you believe everything about Brexit is bad for the country how can you put forward policy ideas that revolve around that and be believable, it would get thrown back at them at every turn. Now we know Brexit is happening and will most likely be done before another election they can frame their policy around that reality.