General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

I do very well thanks. I seem to recall the name calling from you a while back, maybe you grew up. Oh and i would btw.

Haha. I don't think so buddy but that really is beside the point.

Do you not yet understand that not everyone that has a difficult political persuasion to yourself is some sort of unthinking Daily Mail reader? How can you not grasp that people live different lives, have different experiences, disagree with monetary or fiscal policy from certain parties? They may even have voted for all three main political parties over the years.

Unlike a poster posted on here earlier, politics isn't the same as supporting a football team. People that pick a side and stick with them for 60 years aren't loyal. They are pillocks. That's not how a democracy (as much as we have one) functions.

 

[blue cigar]

you'd have to ask his Saffer, if you're so keen for a review on his "services". You sound like you're keen though, think you'd have to lower your aspirations and standards though judging by your apparent intellect, I think he's doing better 2bh.

Great, pleased for you both. Who gets first dibs on the daily mail in the morning?

 

[SWP's back]

Give good head does he?

I reckon I probably would but sadly for you, I'm married. Thanks for the enquiry though.

 

[smudgedj]

I'm enjoying the death throes of the left.

 

[blue cigar]

Haha. I don't think so buddy but that really is beside the point.

Do you not yet understand that not everyone that has a difficult political persuasion to yourself is some sort of unthinking Daily Mail reader? How can you not grasp that people live different lives, have different experiences, disagree with monetary or fiscal policy from certain parties? They may even have voted for all three main political parties over the years.

Unlike a poster posted on here earlier, policitcs isn't the same as supporting a football team. People that pick a side and stick with them for 60 years aren't loyal. They are pillocks. That's not how a democracy (as much as we have one) functions.

I understand but i choose to stay loyal to my principles,others will vote for the party that gives them the most at that particular time. That said, i will stand my ground against the clearly far superior intellects on here, i learnt that in the cotton mills.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Great, pleased for you both. Who gets first dibs on the daily mail in the morning?

depends what time the postman turns up. Have you finished "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" yet?

 

[Blue Whale]

Haha. You think following politics is like following a football team?

That's fucking brilliant.

@Damocles will enjoy this.

If you are working class you should know that it was the so-called lefties or liberal snowflakes in history which fought so hard to give you a health service, workers rights and education. Not the Tories. If you do know your history and still willfully vote for a party that has everything BUT the interests of you and those of your family and general class in view then, yes, I can imagine you are the sort of character who would think nothing of changing supporting a football team depending how successful they were. Who did you support before us then? The rags or dippers? I'm guessing rags.

 

[Xiphos]

So the manufacturing base in this country is live and well is it? Come on, you know better than that. Labour have ket down their core support but represent my principles more than tories.

I'm out for a while before the ban hammer comes down on this thread, cool your skin man it's going to be a long 7 weeks, bye

 

[SWP's back]

I understand but i choose to stay loyal to my principles,others will vote for the party that gives them the most at that particular time. That said, i will stand my ground against the clearly far superior intellects on here, i learnt that in the cotton mills.

Staying loyal to your principles is fine.

I voted Labour, Lib Dem and then Tory twice. I am the mythical middle England floating voter and three times I've backed the eventual winner.

That doesn't make me or anyone else that votes for their situation any more or any less than yourself. So called barbs like "Daily Mail reader" or "Tory boy" are totally pointless. They devalue the debate. They don't lead to discourse or an opportunity to make people see the (implied) error of their thinking, if anything they simply crystallise and firm up the recipients view. They don't think "oh actually, that's a decent point" they think "who the fuck does that **** think they are"? which, I presume, you aren't really looking for (unless you've had a pint and just fancy an online scrap).

As for standing your ground against the 'far greater intellects on here', you've not exactly done anything other than try and insult anyone that may vote Tory. It's not holding ground in the slightest. It's the exact opposite.

 

[urban genie]

I'm enjoying the death throes of the left.

doubt an election loss will kill off a belief of an egalitarian society that works for the betterment of all that's been around for centuries.

there will always be those who believe the conservative and unionist party can serve their interest, and to counter that their will be people who belive and will fight for the opposite, one election won't kill off either.

 

[SWP's back]

If you are working class you should know that it was the so-called lefties or liberal snowflakes in history which fought so hard to give you a health service, workers rights and education. Not the Tories. If you do know your history and still willfully vote for a party that has everything BUT the interests of you and those of your family and general class in view then, yes, I can imagine you are the sort of character who would think nothing of changing supporting a football team depending how successful they were. Who did you support before us then? The rags or dippers? I'm guessing rags.

Why presume I'm working class?

Why presume what you think is right for you and your family is presently right for me and mine?

Political parties laugh at voters like you. They don't need to do anything, change anything or appeal to your sort. Your vote is a given. They try and appeal to free thinkers that aren't afraid to change their vote from election to the next. That is why the same party hasn't been in power for the last 100 years.

As for the "who did you support before City comment", very good. Top level debate that.

 

[Blue Hefner]

If you are working class you should know that it was the so-called lefties or liberal snowflakes in history which fought so hard to give you a health service, workers rights and education. Not the Tories. If you do know your history and still willfully vote for a party that has everything BUT the interests of you and those of your family and general class in view then, yes, I can imagine you are the sort of character who would think nothing of changing supporting a football team depending how successful they were. Who did you support before us then? The rags or dippers? I'm guessing rags.

Sorry to but-in, however circumstances change

I am not going to vote Labour on the strength that they created the NHS 60 years ago. What are they doing now? What are they proposing to do that if they win?

On the topic of principles - again, circumstances change. My political views haven't really changed over the past few years but the Labour Party has changed and their behaviour over the past few years doesn't make them an attractive proposition at the moment. However, they may do in a couple of years

I don't like what the Tories have done to public funding, the unemployed, the disabled etc but it's a case of balance and the here and now

Corbyn wants rid of nuclear weapons, it's not a great time for that particular pitch. Is it?

Who do you want to be handling Trump, Brexit etc? Corbyn, really? Farron? May and the Tories seem the best of a particularly bad bunch at the moment and look more stable and suitable to handle the national and global political environment

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Sorry to but-in, however circumstances change

I am not going to vote Labour on the strength that they created the NHS 60 years ago. What are they doing now? What are they proposing to do that if they win?

On the topic of principles - again, circumstances change. My political views haven't really changed over the past few years but the Labour Party has changed and their behaviour over the past few years doesn't make them an attractive proposition at the moment. However, they may do in a couple of years

I don't like what the Tories have done to public funding, the unemployed, the disabled etc but it's a case of balance and the here and now

Corbyn wants rid of nuclear weapons, it's not a great time for that particular pitch. Is it?

Who do you want to be handling Trump, Brexit etc? Corbyn, really? Farron? May and the Tories seem the best of a particularly bad bunch at the moment and look more stable and suitable to handle the national and global political environment

Post of the thread so far.

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

Good to see in true Bluemoon fashion, a political thread has descended into mud slinging and bitching on day one!

Anyway back to the election ......
I'm already fed up of the site of that Paul Nutall ....come back Nigel all is forgiven!

 

[Ban-jani]

It's funny as fuck when left wingers are against an election for the reason that they know they'll be twatted.

It's hilarious. My mate at work today said "she's just a fucking opportunist". Same bloke saying she was unelected and had no mandate with Brexit a couple of months ago.

Morons, utter morons.

 

[urban genie]

Good to see in true Bluemoon fashion, a political thread has descended into mud slinging and bitching on day one!

Anyway back to the election ......
I'm already fed up of the site of that Paul Nutall ....come back Nigel all is forgiven!

Or they could both just fuck off along with that other ukip fucker bickley who has stood in every north west seat he could and lost every time

 

[blue cigar]

Staying loyal to your principles is fine.

I voted Labour, Lib Dem and then Tory twice. I am the mythical middle England floating voter and three times I've backed the eventual winner.

That doesn't make me or anyone else that votes for their situation any more or any less than yourself. So called barbs like "Daily Mail reader" or "Tory boy" are totally pointless. They devalue the debate. They don't lead to discourse or an opportunity to make people see the (implied) error of their thinking, if anything they simply crystallise and firm up the recipients view. They don't think "oh actually, that's a decent point" they think "who the fuck does that **** think they are"? which, I presume, you aren't really looking for (unless you've had a pint and just fancy an online scrap).

As for standing your ground against the 'far greater intellects on here', you've not exactly done anything other than try and insult anyone that may vote Tory. It's not holding ground in the slightest. It's the exact opposite.

The last paragraph is called humour, ask someone about it. As for lectures about name calling or belittling! From you? Do me a favour eh, you are about the worse on here but strangely get away with it? The daily mail barb comes from the attitude from most tory voters on here, you could be headline writers some of you but then look to take the high ground, can you not see that? Seriously, go and read some of your posts before lecturing about pointless barbs.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

Who do you want to be handling Trump, Brexit etc? Corbyn, really? Farron?

I would never buy anything from Tim Farron. He has the look of a man about to go into administration.

 

[SWP's back]

The last paragraph is called humour, ask someone about it. As for lectures about name calling or belittling! From you? Do me a favour eh, you are about the worse on here but strangely get away with it? The daily mail barb comes from the attitude from most tory voters on here, you could be headline writers some of you but then look to take the high ground, can you not see that? Seriously, go and read some of your posts before lecturing about pointless barbs.

Ok. Do as you wish. Enjoy. But it'll be a long thread and adding a few points other than calling people tossers and asking if they give good head may enable you to last longer posting on it.

 

[Blue Hefner]

The last paragraph is called humour, ask someone about it. As for lectures about name calling or belittling! From you? Do me a favour eh, you are about the worse on here but strangely get away with it? The daily mail barb comes from the attitude from most tory voters on here, you could be headline writers some of you but then look to take the high ground, can you not see that? Seriously, go and read some of your posts before lecturing about pointless barbs.

The phase 'Tory voter', doesn't really mean anything

When I have voted, I have voted Labor throughout my adult life. However, to vote Labour now is a difficult thing to do as they are all over the place.
If, on balance, I decide that a Tory government is the better option, am I a 'Tory voter' or just someone who looks at the options and chooses on the day

These are unique political times, the days of being a 'Labour voter', 'Tory voter' etc are long gone