General Election June 8th

[The perfect fumble]

The Angry party.

Better that than the Complacent Party.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

I wouldn't worry about that because the Brexit negotiations will take 5-10 years. With our stance, their stance and the fact there are 20+ member states to consider there is just no reasonable way it can be done in 2 years. It will likely get extended to as long as it will reasonably take.

Remember it has already been 3 months of 24 and we have not even entered the room. It took the EU 7 years just to negotiate a trade deal with Canada so I just can't see how we can negotiate an exit PLUS a trade deal in under half that time.

Brexit is dead in the water.

Once the election is over and we are in a hung parliament situation brexit will never happen

 

[KenTheLandlord]

The price of goods will go up, pubs will go bust... Basically any company who is doing 'OK' and who relies on cheap labour is going to suffer. The amount of startups will be lower and unless he does something for them they just won't bother with the prospect of 30% taxes on profits.

For anyone not on the minimum wage this will make zero difference and considering Corbyn wants to create a high wage economy I don't really understand what he is going to do to help it along. Any company in the high tech industry will face green levies, higher tax and higher employment costs, I still cannot work out how that results in higher wages. He has said nothing on how he plans to invest in these industries to cushion the anti-business stance.

In our industry he will probably ban arms and stop spending on defence too so that will be thousands out of work as well.

ahh project fear rises once more.

 

[Len Rum]

As a result, we could end up with a Labour government that would undoubtedly run this country into the ground, burdened by a debt mountain that we would struggle to climb out of. Lets face it, the tories have tried 'austerity' and despite this have only halved the deficit and we still continue to grow our debt year on year until at least 2022.

Jesus mate you've bought it hook line and sinker.
Are you the official apologist for the Tory party?

 

[Blue Maverick]

In regards to the minimum wage it amazes me how many people are happy to have cheap goods thevreason they are cheap is you are getting them off the back of slave labour. Same as all the stuff from china etc etc. If people can get a decent wage and standard of living I'm happy to pay extra, we aren't all entitled to a 65 inch tv, work for it, save for it pay for it. Zero hour contracts should be abolished as well it's a great way of fudging the figures.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Barry Gardiner is coming out of this campaign very well, as is Angela Rayner. Labour might just be in the process of getting a party together.

The Blairite usual suspects have kept their powder dry in the hope of exploiting a disastrous Labour campaign once the election is over. Whoops! I don't know who's more in a panic Lynton Crosby or Chuka Umunna

 

[urban genie]

suppose it's fittimg rudd is going to the debate tonight as there are plenty of tory MP's already chattering about usurping may with her no matter the result.

 

[inbetween]

ahh project fear rises once more.

It is pretty simple though really, in what world do you tax a company more and add costs to them which results in them protecting their profits, paying their staff more and protects their ability to employ more people?

You could probably say well they would have to accept that they won't make as much profit, that shows they are anti-business policies I'm afraid.

The reason things will cost more is also simple, businesses will pass on any increased costs to the customer. There is no policy I have seen from Labour that will result in lower costs for businesses so it is reality not project fear.

The reason Labour have come up with these kind of things anyway is because they aren't interested in business given they have people like John Mcdonnell who want to bring down the capitalist system.

 

[The perfect fumble]

But he's got some decent points, who is funding this £10 minimum wage? Do people not realise that most small to medium companies will be crippled by it? Also what happens to the price of goods when the minimum goes up? Yes that's right they raise accordingly so no one ends up actually better off anyway.

Will they really? If a person cannot live on the minimum wage, and they can't, they receive government support paid for by the taxpayer, so we are clearly subsidizing companies who do not have a sustainable business model, because, according to your analysis, we are all having to cough up to keep them afloat.

If you put money in poor people's pockets, they spend it, thereby stimulating the economy and as we have an economy heavily reliant on consumption that's no bad thing.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

With rights come great responsibility. It is frightening (to me) that a generation of 18-24 year olds, let down by a catastrophic labour education system that brainwashed this generation into believing that the world owed them a living, are enticed into voting (when normally they can't be bothered) by the many 'freebies' on offer - £10 minimum wage, free university education, free childcare, more police, more investment in an NHS (where we are already spending trillions over the next decade) All paid for by private business that needs to thrive in order to pay for our public sector spending - how Labour expect this to happen when hitting the engine of the economy with higher taxes is beyond me. Lets not forget, it was Labour that introduced tuition fees in the first place! I went to Uni in 95 and got my education for free.

As a result, we could end up with a Labour government that would undoubtedly run this country into the ground, burdened by a debt mountain that we would struggle to climb out of. Lets face it, the tories have tried 'austerity' and despite this have only halved the deficit and we still continue to grow our debt year on year until at least 2022.

As soon as night follows day, a Labour government almost always ends up with the country going bust. The 70's was the winter of discontent, and despite Brown continually telling us he had ended 'Boom and Bust' as chancellor we ended up with the biggest bust in 2008. The scary thing is that Corbyn takes the Labour party further left then in any of those periods so its scary how bad it would be this time around.

What a disgraceful post that is. You've just condemned about 4M people as believing the world owes them a living, they're all after freebies, and they've all had a catastrophic education. It might be true of your kids and young people you know, but it certainly isn't of mine, or the vast majority of people they're mates with. They worked hard to get A levels and first class degrees and now they're working. Difference with when you had your education, of course, is that they owe almost £100k between the two of them for the privilege. (Christ knows how much it would have been had I not stumped up for rent and some other expenses).

 

[Chippy_boy]

What a disgraceful post that is.

On the contrary it was absolutely spot on. Top post, Blue Mooner, top post.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

On the contrary it was absolutely spot on. Top post, Blue Mooner, top post.

What, all 18-24 year olds are scrounging, good for nothings? Your world must be a fucking sad, lonely place.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Jesus mate you've bought it hook line and sinker.
Are you the official apologist for the Tory party?

It's you who's in complete denial mate. You've erased from your mind the state of the economy when Labour left office. You've erased from your mind that fact the Gordon Brown had taken over a thumping great big budget surplus and turned it into deficit and spiralling debt, BEFORE the crash of 2007/8 even happened. Labour ALWAYS fuck up the economy. The only variable is how long it takes them with their taxing and spending, burdening businesses and taking money out of peoples' pockets. In the case of Blair - who was Labour-light - it took a while before they destroyed everything. The more left wing Labour leaders can fuck it up much more quickly.

In the nightmare scenario that Corbyn got in, he'd have the country on its fucking knees in a matter of weeks.

 

[Chippy_boy]

What, all 18-24 year olds are scrounging, good for nothings? Your world must be a fucking sad, lonely place.

Your words those.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

What is the justification at the moment for the £2/hr difference between a 19 year old and a 25 year old?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

What is the justification at the moment for the £2/hr difference between a 19 year old and a 25 year old?

Its because the young don't count in today's society. Besides, differences in minimum wage don't really matter as, according to some BM posters, they're all feckless, lazy bastards who all want something for nothing!!!

 

[inchy14]

Will they really? If a person cannot live on the minimum wage, and they can't, they receive government support paid for by the taxpayer, so we are clearly subsidizing companies who do not have a sustainable business model, because, according to your analysis, we are all having to cough up to keep them afloat.

If you put money in poor people's pockets, they spend it, thereby stimulating the economy and as we have an economy heavily reliant on consumption that's no bad thing.

So you don't think that raising minimum wage to £10 an hour is going to cause business to close? And don't you agree that if people have more money in their pocket, the price of goods will increase because it's now costing more to produce goods and services due to higher costs, wages, tax etc and because of that people will be no better off and some probably worse as companies lay off staff to cope with the wage increase.

 

[worsleyweb]

So you don't think that raising minimum wage to £10 an hour is going to cause business to close? And don't you agree that if people have more money in their pocket, the price of goods will increase because it's now costing more to produce goods and services due to higher costs, wages, tax etc and because of that people will be no better off and some probably worse as companies lay off staff to cope with the wage increase.

History has proven this to be the case over the past 50 years. Of course 18-24 years olds are not all lazy but a booming private sector will help them.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Has to be said that given her woeful performance so far May needs to get off Brexit because more and more people must just look at her and think SHE is the one they least trust to be able to negotiate and get a good deal for the UK

 

[brass neck]

Corbyn to May this morning...