General Election June 8th

[CitizenTID]

I presume a big sticking point now, and the reason why a coalition will be difficult, is the completely difference stance on Brexit.

Good point I hadn't thought of, probably as I don't sympathise with whingers that can't accept the country's vote

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think you're directing your comments at the wrong poster. I have never once criticised Corbyn for his IRA stance.

Unlike some, I can take an objective, balanced view on peoples character and shortcomings, irrespective of their political leanings.

Fair enough, we're on the same page.

 

[CitizenTID]

Post has been edited to more accurately explain what I meant. To save you the trouble, here;

This has been exposed as misinformation. The quote is taken from her book where she talks about her involvement with the IRA prior to Bloody Sunday.

"I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better… we heard late at night that a British soldier had been shot and seriously wounded in Belfast or Derry and we would hope by the morning he would be dead… I accepted the bombing of Belfast and when civilians were accidentally blown to pieces dismissed this as one of the unfortunate effects of urban guerrilla warfare."

I fail to see the misinformation? You just reinforced the quote with more from her own book to support that she hoped "by the morning [the British solider] would be dead."

Also does her no favours for supporting the conflict by accepting urban guerrilla warfare rather than working to establish peace. Clearly she was an outright IRA supporter who now works for the type of people that caused the IRA (and previous Irish groups) to stir up in the first place to fight.

Loved Ireland so much she left it for London.

 

[Blue Mooner]

Corbyn is a man who despises pretty much everything this country has stood for.

• He wants to get rid of and despises the monarchy
• He clearly supported the IRA and whilst he purports to despise bombing of any kind he was quite happy to support the killing of our troops during the troubles in his blind support of the republicans.
• He supports Hamas - a terrorist organisation describing them as 'friends'
• He would destroy any relationship with the US due to his socialist dogma and hatred for Trump which is critical to our future success and negotiations for Brexit
• If he could, he would get rid of trident leaving our country vulnerable to any kind of despot, but if you're not willing to say unequivocally you would use it what is the point of having the deterrent?
• He would have let Argentina take over the Falklands - what does that say to the people of Gibraltar and the Falklands about their security in the future?

I've not even touched on his tax and spend policies where he dishes out freebies to his client state until the money runs out and the Tories have to take the brickbats for making the tough choices again to fix the mess.

Anyone who has the majority of a rational shadow cabinet resign believing he is not fit for office but have the hide of an elephant and still cling onto office is not a man I can trust. As for Diane Abbot as home Secretary, talk about having your blinkers on!!

That is not the CV of a man whom I want to be leading our country, or who I believe has the best interests of this country at heart.

I'm guessing there will be some who see some of the things I've listed as reasons to support him, which is each to their own, but I want a PM who puts the interests of the UK population people above anything else. Theresa May despite the recent blunders, strikes me as someone who will tell it as it is and not try to pretend that government can do anything and everything, spend what they want, without consequence. If anything she went too far with that in the manifesto and yet we claim we want honest politicians...

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I fail to see the misinformation? You just reinforced the quote with more from her own book to support that she hoped "by the morning [the British solider] would be dead"

Don't you find her candour on the subject to be refreshing?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I fail to see the misinformation? You just reinforced the quote with more from her own book to support that she hoped "by the morning [the British solider] would be dead"

Quote = "agreed"
image = "agree"

There's a slight difference.

 

[jay_mcfc]

So her being demonised is acceptible but demonisation of Corbyn for similar accusations is 'unfair'?

Make your minds up lads.

Not at all. I think trying to demonise anyone for words or actions from thirty years ago with regards to the Irish conflict is ridiculous and counter productive to this election and to the peace process. The conflict was so complicated that in all honesty I have no idea how a peace process has even been possible but one thing I'm adamant on is that Corbyn is on the right side of history on this one even if some of his actions are considered as dubious at best. As I said earlier, had the British Govt talked with Sinn Fein in 83/84 like Corbyn did, how many lives could have been saved? The only way peace was to be brought about was around a table and Corbyn was years ahead of the rest in that. But peace is still very brittle in Northern Ireland, remember neither the IRA nor the Unionists ultimately got what they wanted and there are groups out there that still want to fight to achieve what others fought long and hard for. So on that basis I find all this political point scoring extremely irresponsible and pure desperation from the Tories.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Quote = "agreed"
image = "agree"

There's a slight difference.

I agreed.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Corbyn is a man who despises pretty much everything this country has stood for.

• He wants to get rid of and despises the monarchy
• He clearly supported the IRA and whilst he purports to despise bombing of any kind he was quite happy to support the killing of our troops during the troubles in his blind support of the republicans.
• He supports Hamas - a terrorist organisation describing them as 'friends'
• He would destroy any relationship with the US due to his socialist dogma and hatred for Trump which is critical to our future success and negotiations for Brexit
• If he could, he would get rid of trident leaving our country vulnerable to any kind of despot, but if you're not willing to say unequivocally you would use it what is the point of having the deterrent?
• He would have let Argentina take over the Falklands - what does that say to the people of Gibraltar and the Falklands about their security in the future?

I've not even touched on his tax and spend policies

Probably best you don't considering the rest of your points are bollocks.

 

[CitizenTID]

Don't you find her candour on the subject to be refreshing?

Don't know why the Tories haven't made her Defence Sec to be honest

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Don't know why the Tories haven't made her Defence Sec to be honest

Possibly because she's not presently an MP or a member of the House of Lords.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Possibly because she's not presently an MP or a member of the House of Lords.

picky...

 

[Daz_Blue]

Corbyn is a man who despises pretty much everything this country has stood for.

• He wants to get rid of and despises the monarchy
• He clearly supported the IRA and whilst he purports to despise bombing of any kind he was quite happy to support the killing of our troops during the troubles in his blind support of the republicans.
• He supports Hamas - a terrorist organisation describing them as 'friends'
• He would destroy any relationship with the US due to his socialist dogma and hatred for Trump which is critical to our future success and negotiations for Brexit
• If he could, he would get rid of trident leaving our country vulnerable to any kind of despot, but if you're not willing to say unequivocally you would use it what is the point of having the deterrent?
• He would have let Argentina take over the Falklands - what does that say to the people of Gibraltar and the Falklands about their security in the future?

I've not even touched on his tax and spend policies where he dishes out freebies to his client state until the money runs out and the Tories have to take the brickbats for making the tough choices again to fix the mess.

Anyone who has the majority of a rational shadow cabinet resign believing he is not fit for office but have the hide of an elephant and still cling onto office is not a man I can trust. As for Diane Abbot as home Secretary, talk about having your blinkers on!!

That is not the CV of a man whom I want to be leading our country, or who I believe has the best interests of this country at heart.

I'm guessing there will be some who see some of the things I've listed as reasons to support him, which is each to their own, but I want a PM who puts the interests of the UK population people above anything else. Theresa May despite the recent blunders, strikes me as someone who will tell it as it is and not try to pretend that government can do anything and everything, spend what they want, without consequence. If anything she went too far with that in the manifesto and yet we claim we want honest politicians...

You want someone who puts the interests of the UK population first ........ you mean the people in poverty, the NHS and Education hammered by this government or the top earning 1% who have benefited from tax breaks ....... or both ?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

There are going to be a few disappointed lefties on here in a weeks time I'm afraid. But watching the frenzy right now is hilarious! Keep it up chaps.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

picky...

I deal in facts ;-)

 

[jay_mcfc]

There are going to be a few disappointed lefties on here in a weeks time I'm afraid. But watching the frenzy right now is hilarious! Keep it up chaps.

Not half as funny as watching this Tory campaign.

 

[CitizenTID]

Possibly because she's not presently an MP or a member of the House of Lords.

Ah, I'm sure she can do a job running arms to the Saudis then. What with experience of categoric failure and missing set targets being a key credential for hire in this Govt.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Tory councillor on Croydon council. Former active member of the IRA. She didn't kill anyone but she was a gun runner.

Wouldn't vote for her either and if she was the Tory leader I wouldn't vote Tory.

 

[Magicpole]

To the Scots on here: if you don't want to live in a Tory chum paradise why not get over old Labour leadership and vote for new Labour? Scotland supporting Labour can put a stop to the Tories, voting SNP empowers the Tories.

Don't seem much different at all policy-wise to SNP either so you could give it all a test-run before having to think about independence again.

It's not as simple as that. We need our interests to not be subsumed within a Westminster focus. We need that strength to ensure we can fight out corner. The 40 former labour MP's did nothing to argue our case following the whip.

We have seen and still see Kabour go into collaboration with the Tories, councils recently. There is no way back for them. We do hope Corbyn wins and we will vote with his plans to make the whole of the U.K a fairer place, but we don't trust them with our interests re Europe and Trident.

The vast maj of people now voting SNP are like me ex labour, I was a member once. Times have changed, Brexit is going to be disastrous for us all and we don't want it. Not having SNP there undermines our ability to influence against a hard Brexit or indeed any Brexit.

 

[Magicpole]

There are going to be a few disappointed lefties on here in a weeks time I'm afraid. But watching the frenzy right now is hilarious! Keep it up chaps.

We are all pissing ourselves watching Tories arses going like rabbits nostrils.

The Tories may well win, but the landslide endorsement is gone. Her trying to paint herself as S&S is lying in hilarious tatters and every single Tory who has been up to bat has gone out for a duck.

Truly hilarious and reassuring that the shite the right wing media is peddling has been sussed due to the total ineptitude of the Tory campaign.

Hilarious indeed.