General Election June 8th

[jay_mcfc]

He met David Ervine of the PUP at least 5 times in the mid to late 80's. He is also on record of meeting with the late Rev Ian Paisley (remember this was about the time Paisley was forming the Ulster Resistance). I am not sure if he met with the late John McMichael or Andy Tyrie or not, but it was in this era that McMichael tried to get the UDA to operate more as a political party rather than a paramilitary force (comm9n sense Northern Ireland-an Agreed Process) so it would seem likely that Corbyn would at least have been willing to meet with and discuss options, and not unreasonable to think that they would have met.

He knows all of this, as do most people but the picture has been painted and that's it out now. Corbyn has been on the right side of history every single time from Aparheid to Ireland to Iraq and yet he's still demonised.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Leaning towards Labour, but Diane Abbott terrifies me. Also not sure on Corbyn's stance on terror.

Then again, May has had a shocker and she simply isn't up to the job. Christ, Corbyn has looked like a stronger leader in this campaign.

Fucked either way.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Leaning towards Labour, but Diane Abbott terrifies me. Also not sure on Corbyn's stance on terror.

I really can't believe that people are putting Corbyn's stance on terror over real issues like the cuts to the NHS, Education, Welfare, the police that we already KNOW are going to happen if the Tories win. God knows what will happen that they haven't told us about.

To me this is the most important election since 1979, when there was a real and pressing need for fundamental political change. I unhesitatingly voted Conservative then because I thought they would reverse the decline in this country. This election it's the other way round - A Tory government will do incalculable damage to this country in my view, far worse than some Islamic nutter with a knife.

 

[urban genie]

Leaning towards Labour, but Diane Abbott terrifies me. Also not sure on Corbyn's stance on terror.

Then again, May has had a shocker and she simply isn't up to the job. Christ, Corbyn has looked like a stronger leader in this campaign.

Fucked either way.

Bar the chancellor shadow cabinet post do not mean those ame people will be in that post if they form a government, worrying over abbot who may not evven be home secretary pales into comparrison over worrying what the tories will do to this country and it's services and assets.

Even if I wasn't labour but on the fence, the downturn iny living standards the last 5 years and the state I see my workplace in (education) which is decimated I couldn't vote for the tories, top that may is useless.

 

[blueinsa]

At the start of this process I was a lifelong labour voter who had no time for Corbyn and due to my brexit vote, was going to vote Tory.

On Thursday I will be once again voting labour and proudly doing so because May and this Tory government are going to destroy our society with further austerity and cuts and its time for a new approach, one that a man like Corbyn will bring imo.

He has had a magnificent campaign.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I really can't believe that people are putting Corbyn's stance on terror over real issues like the cuts to the NHS, Education, Welfare, the police that we already KNOW are going to happen if the Tories win. God knows what will happen that they haven't told us about.

To me this is the most important election since 1979, when there was a real and pressing need for fundamental political change. I unhesitatingly voted Conservative then because I thought they would reverse the decline in this country. This election it's the other way round - A Tory government will do incalculable damage to this country in my view, far worse than some Islamic nutter with a knife.

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This election will be between those that care and those that don't.

Do as the Torys say and judge them on their record

NHS - In crisis
Social Care - In crisis
Police force - minus 20,000
Armed Forces - Plans to reduce numbers by 33,000 by 2020 already well on their way to this target
Air force have 141 fewer helicopters and 139 fewer planes than in January 2010.
Education - a shambles , a system that tests our kids to death and teaches them how to pass exams
National Debt - risen from £960 billion to £1.5 trillion (despite austerity measures)
Rail Transport - privatised chaos, its now cheaper to spend a fortnight in Turkey than get a return train ticket to London and travel the same day
Fire Fighters - Service now down to the bare minimum

I could go on ........ but tomorrow i will judge them on their record

 

[cibaman]

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This election will be between those that care and those that don't.

Do as the Torys say and judge them on their record

NHS - In crisis
Social Care - In crisis
Police force - minus 20,000
Armed Forces - Plans to reduce numbers by 33,000 by 2020 already well on their way to this target
Air force have 141 fewer helicopters and 139 fewer planes than in January 2010.
Education - a shambles , a system that tests our kids to death and teaches them how to pass exams
National Debt - risen from £960 billion to £1.5 trillion (despite austerity measures)
Rail Transport - privatised chaos, its now cheaper to spend a fortnight in Turkey than get a return train ticket to London and travel the same day
Fire Fighters - Service now down to the bare minimum

I could go on ........ but tomorrow i will judge them on their record

What about those of us that believe that McDonnell will run out out of money, the corporate tax rises will raise nothing like the sums he's expecting, and that the poor will ultimately pay the price of a socialist experiment? Do we care?

 

[Chippy_boy]

To be fair you post non stop bollocks on here, and you know it!

You will be devastated on Friday morning when your pin up Theresa is out on her ear!

Wrong on every level. I don't think you've read any of my posts if that's what you think.

 

[Vic]

I'll pass as it's all bollocks and that.

You may but may May? The vicar's daughter who doesn't take seriously her dad's boss's teaching on possession of riches?

 

[SWP's back]

You may but may May? The vicar's daughter who doesn't take seriously her dad's boss's teaching on possession of riches?

Probably

 

[Chippy_boy]

did that happen last time we had a labour government?

no

so why would we this time?

Because Corbyn is more left wing than any Labour leader in living memory, with the possible exception of Michael Foot, but probably not even Foot was this far left.

The far left have been so frustrated for 50 years, if their man were to win, they'd want their pound of flesh; you can bank on it. They'd want him to - as they see it - put right the wrongs inflicted on them over many decades.

This includes restoring their power by bringing back the ability to bring their employers to their knees with strikes any time they like. And doubtless huge pay rises based on them feeling hard done by after austerity and necessary pay restraint. They will demand vastly higher than inflation pay rises, I absolutely promise you.

Because Jeremy is emotionally bonded with these people, he will want to do it as well.

This will further wreck the economy, on top of Jeremy's other economy wrecking measures. He would set this country back 50 years.

Do you remember us being the "sick man of Europe" with strikes every two minutes? I do.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What about those of us that believe that McDonnell will run out out of money, the corporate tax rises will raise nothing like the sums he's expecting, and that the poor will ultimately pay the price of a socialist experiment? Do we care?

that may be.........but along the way some stuff will get sorted with a focus on Joe Average,

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What about those of us that believe that McDonnell will run out out of money, the corporate tax rises will raise nothing like the sums he's expecting, and that the poor will ultimately pay the price of a socialist experiment? Do we care?

Clearly not.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Because Corbyn is more left wing than any Labour leader in living memory, with the possible exception of Michael Foot, but probably not even Foot was this far left.

The far left have been so frustrated for 50 years, if their man were to win, they'd want their pound of flesh; you can bank on it. They'd want him to - as they see it - put right the wrongs inflicted on them over many decades.

This includes restoring their power by bringing back the ability to bring their employers to their knees with strikes any time they like. And doubtless huge pay rises based on them feeling hard done by after austerity and necessary pay restraint. They will demand vastly higher than inflation pay rises, I absolutely promise you.

Because Jeremy is emotionally bonded with these people, he will want to do it as well.

This will further wreck the economy, on top of Jeremy's other economy wrecking measures. He would set this country back 50 years.

Do you remember us being the "sick man of Europe" with strikes every two minutes? I do.

This will further wreck the economy, - Its already wrecked,

strikes every two minutes? I do.- and this is why the Blue Rinse brigade vote Tory ... they can't get the 1960's 1970's out of their head. Legislation is now in place that won't allow this to happen.

 

[cibaman]

Good to know that Corbyn's allotment is doing well

 

[Vic]

Real wage decreases - worse only than Greece. Tory legislation cuts strikes (but they were less prevalent anyway). Any connection? People hate public sector strikes but they've historically been a factor in increasing everyone's real wages.

 

[bonespost]

 

[Chippy_boy]

I really can't believe that people are putting Corbyn's stance on terror over real issues like the cuts to the NHS, Education, Welfare, the police that we already KNOW are going to happen if the Tories win. God knows what will happen that they haven't told us about.

To me this is the most important election since 1979, when there was a real and pressing need for fundamental political change. I unhesitatingly voted Conservative then because I thought they would reverse the decline in this country. This election it's the other way round - A Tory government will do incalculable damage to this country in my view, far worse than some Islamic nutter with a knife.

How on earth can you not see that Corbyn will wreck the country like the people you ousted in 1979 had done???

You're voting for the very thing you so confidently threw out! Only more so.

And where does this "incalcuable damage" idea come from eh? You must surely realise that the unprecedented levels of cuts we have seen; have been directly as a result of the Conservative's belief that we needed to get the deficit down through austerity. As the deficit has come down, we can begin to ease off and start to invest more again.

Despite any of this, NHS investment continues to increase and will surely increase further and faster still. I'd be surprised if there wasn't more money for the police too after all this latest terror threat.

What on earth has led you to conclude that the Tories want to wreck everything? You're a considered and sensible guy, I know that. So I am puzzled as to why you think the Conservatives will do incalcuable damage? They never have done in parliaments gone by, and this government is more moderate than most, with living wage increases and proposed energy price caps etc. I don't see the calamity ahead that you seem worried about.

And similarly how can you not see that Corbyn's huge spending plans are just too much and will do damage? If he was a bit more moderate, I could understand. But surely mate you must see that you cannot simply take £350bn in tax and borrowing and splurge it, without that pushing up inflation and other undesirable effects?

An economy is like a set of finely balanced spinning plates. You cannot crash in like the Honey Monster and give everything a whack and expect it all to be fine. It would not be.

 

[mcfc1632]

I am surprised that the betting odds have hardly changed during recent days - not sure what conclusions to draw from that

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats

 

[jay_mcfc]

Nice to see that it looks like Diane Abbott has had a mental breakdown. Good old British press.