George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Bigga]

Because that’s what would have happened in the UK, right?! GMAFB!

Guy so drunk he falls asleep at the wheel IN THE DRIVE THRU LANE. Cops come, he blows, they attempt to arrest, he FORCEFULLY RESISTS, STEALS A WEAPON AND FIRES IT AT A COP!

Next thing you know, Wendy’s is burned to the ground, because???

But, it’s the cops....!! Uh huh!! Suuuure it is!

Have a look at the vid.

Note the conversation.

Decide where COMMON SENSE could have been applied.

Ta.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

A change in gun regulation in the US would solve it over time but I don't think the appetite is there, primarily because indeed people feel they need the protection.... But the law is the one thing that facilitates that need... It's just a vicious cycle that I don't think you guys will ever get out of.

Awww, you were doing so well, and then went and spoiled it.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I bet that sort of thing is part of police training and if so that would send me out (As a new recruit) absolutely scared and finger always on the trigger ready to protect myself.

Maybe the training should stop being so "us versus them"

But definately its the gun situation that totally increase the tension, take the guns out of america and everyone is a lot less on edge

Not to self: Gordon Tubster not cut out for US police force.

The only time your finger should EVER be in the trigger is when you are pulling it. As I said, most police officers never do that on duty in their entire careers.

I can see you do not understand where the problem lies and will leave it there.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Again, and for the record, I’m not here to take sides, speak for the police, or defend anyone’s actions. Rather, I’m trying to help some of you understand a culture most of you simply don’t understand because you can’t understand it until you’re immersed in it.

Now, I believe I’ve been as forthcoming as I can be about BOTH SIDES of the police-public interactions and how it can go south. That’s all I can do. I’m not the resident punching bag for the “Disarm America!” or “Guns are the problem” brigade, even if it is headquartered 4.000 miles away in Longsight!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Not to self: Gordon Tubster not cut out for US police force.

Not sure what you mean tbh. I wondered if US police being told defending oneself is more important than de-escalating things was the issue. And that freedom to own guns in the country increases tensions and pressure in all those situations. For all people.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Not sure what you mean tbh. I wondered if US police being told defending oneself is more important than de-escalating things was the issue. And that freedom to own guns in the country increases tensions and pressure in all those situations. For all people.

Defending oneself is ALWAYS more important than de-escalation, but they’re not mutually exclusive. “Protect yourself at all times” is on a par with “do unto others...,” don’t you think?

I was commenting on your fear as a rookie police officer. Most people don’t even attempt to go into the police force until they’re comfortable with a gun and know how to use it. The police force gives you the when and how. Rookie cops don’t hit the streets “scared,” but lethal violence is scary when it rears it’s ugly head. Again, this rarely happens, and is nearly always a large, urban issue.

If you ever see someone with their index finger bent inside the trigger guard and they are NOT pulling the trigger, then they need more training, because they’re not fit to carry a weapon.

 

[JRockBlues]

The training of those two cops seems to have gone wrong somewhere. Why were they both wrestling on the ground with him? Surely one should be stood in a cover stance while his buddy uses superior combat skills to take down an inebriated man of what appears to be equal stature. If he then became disadvantaged in the tussle his partner in the cover position could use his taser to help subdue the person they were trying to arrest.

One more question. If the cause of death is 2 gunshot wounds to the back, where did the 3rd round fired end up? Hope there weren't any innocent bystanders happening by as the shooter didn't appear to be firing from a steady base.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

That’s simply not true.

When pulled over for a traffic violation, EVERY ADULT knows that their job is to help the officer know they are not a threat to them. 99.9999999% of traffic violations are just like they are in the UK, but no one cares about those, and those are not the ones highlighted in training, because they don’t need to be trained in minute detail, laws understood to the last period, etc.

What I have tried to explain is that what you see on TV are the ones where there is non-compliance, things turn ugly, and end with a fatality. This is not the norm.

When stopped by the police, do you run? Do you pull a knife? Swing a bat? Or, do you say “Yes, Officer. No, Officer. have a nice day, Officer.” and go on your way, because you WERE speeding?!

If stopped while carrying in Illinois, it is my duty to calmly inform the officer at my earliest opportunity, while assuring him I am compliant, willing to keep complying with any commands, and am not looking to escalate the incident simply because I have a weapon in me.

As I said above, window down, hands visible, no quick or furtive movements. “Officer, it is my legal duty to inform you I am armed. How would you like me to proceed?”

That immediately shows him compliance, understanding of the law and the predicament he is in, and that I have shown myself to open to his commands.

The next question is nearly always, “please tell me where the weapon is, but do not use your hands to show me.”

“Right hip. Glock 19, holstered under my shirt.”

At this point, he may ask for back up before we go any further and just ask me to stay in the car with my hands visible on the steering wheel while he waits for back up.

“Thank you. Do you have your license and registration available for me?”

“Drivers license is in my right pocket, registration is in the glove box”

“OK, with your right hand, please slowly reach over to the glove box, open it and retrieve your registration.”

I would comply.

“Now, turn towards me so I can see your hands and your right pocket. If possible, reach into your right pocket without lifting your shirt and take out your DL.”

The cop should already know who I am, because he has run my car while he was pulling me over before he got out of his own car. The license and registration confirm the information. From there, it’s a matter of a ticket or not, just like always!

Like I said, I’ve been trained, multiple times, by both the feds and the state, and know how to pose zero threat to the police. Others get excitable, feeling like they’re in trouble, even though they’re not. But, no record of CCW while armed is an offence and not a pretty little one, so THAT creates even more excitement and threat, of course!

Guns are a fact of life over here, but most people don’t have them, never come into contact with them, and never even think about them, or even if they do have them, don’t talk about them. I have never mentioned them to my neighbors, nor have they me. It’s something you discuss with friends, just like cars, football, etc. Some have them, others don’t. My two best friends do and we enjoy going to the range to use them and improve our skills...Two handed, single handed, strong hand, weak hand, 2m, 5m, 7m, 10m, three shot drills, two center mass and one to the head drills, timed drills, emergency reload drills, administrative reload drills, “tap, rack, ready” misfire drills, etc, etc, etc...

Just like other aspects of my life, I want to be prepared for all eventualities, and trained for the possible consequences. I take my training seriously, because I know that if I ever draw my weapon I have to be prepared to use it. I never want to have to draw it...EVER. I have one locked by my bedside and two in the safe. The one by the bedside is ready to use within about 3-5 seconds. In Illinois, the law is that a gun can not be used to protect property, only personal safety. So, if someone broke into my house, I can’t shoot someone for trying to steal my TV. However, if I went downstairs to stop them, and they threatened me inside my home, I can now shoot them. If someone breaks in downstairs, I’m not going downstairs. My wife and kids are upstairs and the gun is to protect us, not kill burglars. I would warn them I am armed and they need to leave now as the police have already been called (we live less than a mile from the station) and if they attempt to come upstairs they WILL BE KILLED.

MOST burglars are opportunists and once disturbed have no desire to stick around, especially in America. I doubt they would even leave with anything, as there is very little of any significant value downstairs, and certainly nothing worth dying for!

I don’t doubt your integrity CB and I’m sure you are a law abiding citizen.
I won’t second guess life in Chicago.
But, can you honestly say that someone of colour in the South Side would have the same confidence as you to proceed as you described if they had a firearm in their car.

When I talk about taking the gun out of society, I’m not talking about the white population solely. Would the black community hand in weapons for an equitable society. I’m not sure they would. There has to be the will in all communities but that does not seem to be the way America wants to go.

The attitude seems to be one of mistrust. If they’re armed I’m staying armed. It’s a vicious circle and the consequences are inevitable in my mind.

It is normal to you CB and I’m not even trying to convince you as I see it as a futile suggestion to any American.

I don’t see it changing. I don’t see the will to change and as a result I unfortunately think you’ll be having similar discussions over policing of ethnic minority communities for the rest of my lifetime at least.

 

[Vialli98]

This brings a warm glow to my heart.

This is protest.

It reminds of that Muslim girl who stood up to those EDL chaps a few years ago. Unreal restraint and bravery in the face incredible intimidation.

 

[Bigga]

Again, and for the record, I’m not here to take sides, speak for the police, or defend anyone’s actions. Rather, I’m trying to help some of you understand a culture most of you simply don’t understand because you can’t understand it until you’re immersed in it.

Now, I believe I’ve been as forthcoming as I can be about BOTH SIDES of the police-public interactions and how it can go south. That’s all I can do. I’m not the resident punching bag for the “Disarm America!” or “Guns are the problem” brigade, even if it is headquartered 4.000 miles away in Longsight!

You took sides when you claimed "blackwashing" of some events.