George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Bigga]

I’ve seen the video, he was reaching into his car after repeatedly being told to stop and resisting arrest.

A white person would be shot for that too, it is protocol at that point to neutralise the threat, as harsh as that may sound.

I know there’s a lot of racism in the US and it’s a problem but this incident wasnt one.

The Prosecution knew they had no case.

Ooo, I dunno...

Take your pick, but the first one is a doozy!

 

[Ban-jani]

Ooo, I dunno...

Take your pick, but the first one is a doozy!

I’m not sure what any of that proves?

There’s absolutely zero context around any of it, whether or not these people are known to the police or not, whether they were on private property as one says.

In the second video he literally tasers the guy, so he does fire what weapon he’s got in his hand.

There’s millions of police incidents a year and everyone has a smart phone, you could dig up 100’s of videos for both black and white people probably, some ending tragically, some not.

The questions you have to ask is are police officers different? Well yes they’re human beings. Are situations different? Of course, no two arrests are exactly the same. In the Blake incident, was the police officer justified in using that force? Absolutely unfortunately, it’s a shit situation and I’m anti-2nd amendment, you take guns off the civilians and police and the situation improves drastically and I don’t want to see anyone killed, but in that specific instance, in the circumstances (however mental gun laws are), the police officer saw him resist arrest and reach into the side of the inside of his car.

600 white people are killed in America per year, by police, for doing similar.

Pulling up 4 videos of it not happening is ignoring the millions of police interactions that happen a year in America.

There definitely is a discrepancy with how whites and blacks are police in certain areas and I am not for a second absolving the guilt of other cops who are racist. The George Floyd incident, as is this thread, is a perfect example of excessive force leading to a death that didn’t warrant what Mr Floyd was doing.

But my point is the Blake incident is what I would expect to happen to me, as a white Brit, if I holidayed in America and behaved in exactly the same way, that’s why it’s a poor example.

 

[Bigga]

I’m not sure what any of that proves?

There’s absolutely zero context around any of it, whether or not these people are known to the police or not, whether they were on private property as one says.

In the second video he literally tasers the guy, so he does fire what weapon he’s got in his hand.

There’s millions of police incidents a year and everyone has a smart phone, you could dig up 100’s of videos for both black and white people probably, some ending tragically, some not.

The questions you have to ask is are police officers different? Well yes they’re human beings. Are situations different? Of course, no two arrests are exactly the same. In the Blake incident, was the police officer justified in using that force? Absolutely unfortunately, it’s a shit situation and I’m anti-2nd amendment, you take guns off the civilians and police and the situation improves drastically and I don’t want to see anyone killed, but in that specific instance, in the circumstances (however mental gun laws are), the police officer saw him resist arrest and reach into the side of the inside of his car.

600 white people are killed in America per year, by police, for doing similar.

Pulling up 4 videos of it not happening is ignoring the millions of police interactions that happen a year in America.

There definitely is a discrepancy with how whites and blacks are police in certain areas and I am not for a second absolving the guilt of other cops who are racist. The George Floyd incident, as is this thread, is a perfect example of excessive force leading to a death that didn’t warrant what Mr Floyd was doing.

But my point is the Blake incident is what I would expect to happen to me, as a white Brit, if I holidayed in America and behaved in exactly the same way, that’s why it’s a poor example.

Well, not really.

You chose one vid where a guy is tasered. I chose it for reasons I knew that it would be the one thing to dismiss anything else.

But, you seem to gloss over that these people were extremely aggressive and were given extra leeway. So, you have to ask what is the reasoning behind it? Literally, a guy takes a weapon from a police officer and beats them with it!

If your weapon is removed or reached for, I thought officers were allowed 'self protection'?

What is the likelihood that another demographic gets away with that?

This is called subconscious bias.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, not really.

You chose one vid where a guy is tasered. I chose it for reasons I knew that it would be the one thing to dismiss anything else.

But, you seem to gloss over that these people were extremely aggressive and were given extra leeway. So, you have to ask what is the reasoning behind it? Literally, a guy takes a weapon from a police officer and beats them with it!

If your weapon is removed or reached for, I thought officers were allowed 'self protection'?

What is the likelihood that another demographic gets away with that?

This is called subconscious bias.

If you think I used that one video to gloss over the rest of what you posted then you didn’t read my post.

Choosing 4 videos out of millions of police interactions, to prove a point about a country with 400 million people nearly, is a terrible way of concluding a problem.

For the record I think there is a problem with racism in America and police interactions but your post doesn’t justify the fact that Blake’s incident was down to racism or outside of police protocol.

The prosecution knew they didn’t have a case as the police officer acted as per he’ll have been trained to do.

Subconscious bias is a myth, it’s a ghost, that cannot be measured, treated nor diagnosed. A racist cop shooting a black person because they are black is very conscious, let us not give them an excuse that their subconscious did it.

Let’s be clear here though, we are not disagreeing about the racism problem, we are disagreeing about Blake specifically and I think, and the prosecution knew, the police officer WAS entirely justified in the force used in that moment.

 

[Bigga]

If you think I used that one video to gloss over the rest of what you posted then you didn’t read my post.

Choosing 4 videos out of millions of police interactions, to prove a point about a country with 400 million people nearly, is a terrible way of concluding a problem.

For the record I think there is a problem with racism in America and police interactions but your post doesn’t justify the fact that Blake’s incident was down to racism or outside of police protocol.

The prosecution knew they didn’t have a case as the police officer acted as per he’ll have been trained to do.

Subconscious bias is a myth, it’s a ghost, that cannot be measured, treated nor diagnosed. A racist cop shooting a black person because they are black is very conscious, let us not give them an excuse that their subconscious did it.

Let’s be clear here though, we are not disagreeing about the racism problem, we are disagreeing about Blake specifically and I think, and the prosecution knew, the police officer WAS entirely justified in the force used in that moment.

Whilst I'm not at loggerheads with you on racism, you opened the door on this discussion by using a wider context in your post, which allowed me to use those videos. Let me quote you:

I’ve seen the video, he was reaching into his car after repeatedly being told to stop and resisting arrest.

A white person would be shot for that too, it is protocol at that point to neutralise the threat, as harsh as that may sound.

So a man reaches into his car after swearing at the police officer and threatening to shoot him. His hands are not always seen AND he reaches into his back pocket. No reaction.

One man chases an officer who fails to shoot to protect himself in the 'self defence' trope we hear or read so often.

Of course the beating of officers AND stealing of police vehicle is almost comical in response.

My response was reflective of what you said, not an attack or an argument. All these cases were clearly subconscious bias. We all do it. Be it as a man, a woman, a Blue etc.

The difference is there should be equal application of the law with no exceptions when it comes to resisting arrest.

There is no context to this 'fact', as we've been told, multiple times on this thread.

 

[Ban-jani]

Whilst I'm not at loggerheads with you on racism, you opened the door on this discussion by using a wider context in your post, which allowed me to use those videos. Let me quote you:



So a man reaches into his car after swearing at the police officer and threatening to shoot him. His hands are not always seen AND he reaches into his back pocket. No reaction.

One man chases an officer who fails to shoot to protect himself in the 'self defence' trope we hear or read so often.

Of course the beating of officers AND stealing of police vehicle is almost comical in response.

My response was reflective of what you said, not an attack or an argument. All these cases were clearly subconscious bias. We all do it. Be it as a man, a woman, a Blue etc.

The difference is there should be equal application of the law with no exceptions when it comes to resisting arrest.

There is no context to this 'fact', as we've been told, multiple times on this thread.

But as I’ve said mate, 600 white people a year ARE killed by police for doing the same as Blake did, there may be incidents where they aren’t and there probably will be racist cops that can’t wait for the chance to shoot a black fella, and would give leeway to a white fella, but I think the cop was justified in the Blake case specifically.

I would be surprised if I wasn’t shot in America for doing what Blake did.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Basically, the status quo of police murdering blacks rather than serving & protecting

As I have said, if you're from Chicago you should know quite well just how corrupt & dangerous the police are and have been. Equally, Chicago is so segregated it does not surprise me that there is ignorance to the injustices suffered by blacks, particularly by police & a corrupt legal system that protects/enables them

I see you have chosen to further embarrass yourself.

Do you know what segregation is? English may not be your first language, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on the use of that word. As for the rest, you appear to be trying to teach Grandma how to suck eggs!

Well done.

 

[stonerblue]

Where's that poster who, last time i ventured on this thread, kept saying comply and you'll be ok, don't and expect to get shot?

 

[FCBarca]

I see you have chosen to further embarrass yourself.

Do you know what segregation is? English may not be your first language, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on the use of that word. As for the rest, you appear to be trying to teach Grandma how to suck eggs!

Well done.

You must get tired of being wrong

I have lived & trained in Chicago, I know it personally to be a very segregated city just as much as I know how terribly corrupt it's city is from a political and police POV

 

[kaz7]

Awesome you piped up on this one.

How about the rest of the 'justified' shootings on the thread? Even the most recent dead Black guy that was almost saved after being shot to death?

Hmm...

Lets be clear here , the didnt give him any treatment until an officer appeared and told one of the others to get on his chest , no doubt thinking how this would look not because they could save him

Nice jokes by a few tossers but the guy could have been saved if they had bothered after they shot the poor **** , i have seen a few like this when they do not even attempt to save them