George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Gorton_Tubster]

Policing in America is hard. Brutal policing should definitely be dealt with severely. However, the level of public agitation of the police is at a level that is also vastly different than in the UK. As some of you know, I’m a gun owner, government trained, and I have a distinctly different respect for law enforcement than I had. I’ve seen videos where police have been murdered by trying to de-escalate, give the benefit of the doubt, and one guy who had just returned to service after a long inquiry into a good shooting, during which he was publicly castigated. He waited, and waited and waited, trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, even after multiple commands to comply and make the situation safer...shot dead, in cold blood, and the guy just drove off.

I bet that sort of thing is part of police training and if so that would send me out (As a new recruit) absolutely scared and finger always on the trigger ready to protect myself.

Maybe the training should stop being so "us versus them"

But definately its the gun situation that totally increase the tension, take the guns out of america and everyone is a lot less on edge

 

[Blue Mist]

I was born by the river in a little tent
Oh and just like the river I've been running ev'r since
It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will
It's been too hard living, but I'm afraid to die
'Cause I don't know what's up there, beyond the sky
It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will
I go to the movie and I go downtown
Somebody keep tellin' me don't hang around
It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will
Then I go to my brother
And I say brother help me please
But he winds up knockin' me
Back down on my knees, oh
There have been times that I thought I couldn't last for long
But now I think I'm able to carry on
It's been a long, a long time coming
But I know a change is gonna come, oh yes it will

 

[bert38]

2 cops stabbed in Scotland last night-one in the head-this is what happend when we are hung out to dry but politicians and the press. Disgraceful how our police are being treated.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Hey man, fuck you and your bullshit.

Look at this vid. Any fucking reasonable cop would have took his keys and asked him to return home on foot, like he said he would. Just collect the keys from the station instead in turns out like this...

It's insane that this man is now dead. Of course, he shouldn't have resisted arrest, and if he hadn't, the chances are he'd be alive now.

But they had his name, his car, his preliminary test result, and this video evidence. There was just no need whatsoever to open fire at that point.

Seems it's easier just to shoot someone in the back rather than do some actual policing.

 

[Bigga]

It's insane that this man is now dead. Of course, he shouldn't have resisted arrest, and if he hadn't, the chances are he'd be alive now.

But they had his name, his car, his preliminary test result, and this video evidence. There was just no need whatsoever to open fire at that point.

Seems it's easier just to shoot someone in the back rather than do some actual policing.

Exactly. It's so annoying that common sense is not applied! This is what happened when one is so invested in the 'right to bear arms'.

Also, it really depends on what one calls violent in resisting arrest. As far as I can see, Brooks did NOT throw a single punch. He just shoved off the officers and ran. He SHOULD have been pursued or even let the man walk home as he wanted like I said.

Anyway, Roland martin has a word...

 

[Kinkladze 1]

I don’t know why everyone on here is getting so upset at how the US police carry out their role.

We live in a separate country thousands of miles away.

Where’s the faux outrage at how some other police forces act in South America for example? Yes, very quiet on that front I see despite arguably being far worse....

 

[ChicagoBlue]

the fact you had to write that should tell you enough.

Imagine if the conversation went:

"Excuse me sir, can I see your license and registration please".
"Of course, officer"
*Get out licence and registration*
*Checked*
"Thank you sir, here's your ticket. Be careful, now on your way".
"Thank you, officer. Have a nice day".

No need for the rest because you don't have a gun and he doesn't need to worry about using his.

It absolutely COULD go that way, even if I was wearing a gun, and does all day every day. I obey the law, but if I was ever going fast enough to be pulled by a cop (usually 10-14 mph over the limit here, 15 is reckless driving), I would NOT hide the fact, because I know what to do. I literally have no fear of the police. None. Some of that is because I’m a non-threatening middle aged white guy, but mainly because I’m ALWAYS in de-escalation mode in any personal confrontation...until life is threatened, then it’s fight until the lights go out. I’m NEVER going to be in that position with the police.

As I said, guns are a fact of life and have been for over 200 years (longer than cars!), and 99+% of people deal with that just fine. In fact, I could come out of a changing room dressed 10 different ways and wearing a gun 5 of those times and you absolutely couldn’t tell unless you patted me down in exactly the right location. The Glock 45 could even be strapped to my ankle and you wouldn’t know!

Again, most people never come into contact with a personal gun in their entire lives. Others carry them all the time. The former FAR outweighs the latter, by possibly 1,000 to 1. For the police, that’s 999 no problem, 1 potential problem...they just don’t know which 1/1000, so have to be prepared for it to be the Soccer Mom who has a crazy streak...unless there is compliance and calm, as there should be!!!

It’s funny, but people from OUTSIDE the US get more hot and bothered about this than people INSIDE the US! But then that 1 in a million event happens and everyone loses their mind. They don’t seem to do the same when a drunk driver kills or maims someone, which happens far more frequently than a bad shooting, but that’s because everyone likes a drink, I guess?!

 

[Bigga]

I don’t know why everyone on here is getting so upset at how the US police carry out their role.

We live in a separate country thousands of miles away.

Where’s the faux outrage at how some other police forces act in South America for example? Yes, very quiet on that front I see despite arguably being far worse....

Make a Cops in South America thread, then.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Exactly. It's so annoying that common sense is not applied! This is what happened when one is so invested in the 'right to bear arms'.

Also, it really depends on what one calls violent in resisting arrest. As far as I can see, Brooks did NOT throw a single punch. He just shoved off the officers and ran. He SHOULD have been pursued or even let the man walk home as he wanted like I said.

Because that’s what would have happened in the UK, right?! GMAFB!

Guy so drunk he falls asleep at the wheel IN THE DRIVE THRU LANE. Cops come, he blows, they attempt to arrest, he FORCEFULLY RESISTS, STEALS A WEAPON AND FIRES IT AT A COP!

Next thing you know, Wendy’s is burned to the ground, because???

But, it’s the cops....!! Uh huh!! Suuuure it is!

 

[Bigga]

It absolutely COULD go that way, even if I was wearing a gun, and does all day every day. I obey the law, but if I was ever going fast enough to be pulled by a cop (usually 10-14 mph over the limit here, 15 is reckless driving), I would NOT hide the fact, because I know what to do. I literally have no fear of the police. None. Some of that is because I’m a non-threatening middle aged white guy, but mainly because I’m ALWAYS in de-escalation mode in any personal confrontation...until life is threatened, then it’s fight until the lights go out. I’m NEVER going to be in that position with the police.

As I said, guns are a fact of life and have been for over 200 years (longer than cars!), and 99+% of people deal with that just fine. In fact, I could come out of a changing room dressed 10 different ways and wearing a gun 5 of those times and you absolutely couldn’t tell unless you patted me down in exactly the right location. The Glock 45 could even be strapped to my ankle and you wouldn’t know!

Again, most people never come into contact with a personal gun in their entire lives. Others carry them all the time. The former FAR outweighs the latter, by possibly 1,000 to 1. For the police, that’s 999 no problem, 1 potential problem...they just don’t know which 1/1000, so have to be prepared for it to be the Soccer Mom who has a crazy streak...unless there is compliance and calm, as there should be!!!

It’s funny, but people from OUTSIDE the US get more hot and bothered about this than people INSIDE the US! But then that 1 in a million event happens and everyone loses their mind. They don’t seem to do the same when a drunk driver kills or maims someone, which happens far more frequently than a bad shooting, but that’s because everyone likes a drink, I guess?!

Fucking hell, millions of people have dreamt up the protests in the States, then...