Given Questions Mancini's Man-Management

[Didsbury Dave]

Mancini does seem to be a bit aloof but that shouldn't be a problem, nobody is perfect and everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. There is a large coaching/management staff at the club and I would have thought Mancini would be ok concentrating on the things he is good at and letting someone like Kidd or Platt put an arm around the players and explain why they have been left out for a better and younger player. Or does it specifically need to be Mancini who gives these fragile players a little cuddle to make them feel better?

It's a reasonable and pragmatic answer, Lancet. That's what I hope: that Mancini has adapted since Given's days (he took the whole squad out for a meal when Khaldoon came over to sort out player unrest last Spring), and the the club has the right chemistry behind the scenes to cater for the fact that everyone needs encouraging, communicating with.

But it's simplistic to critisize players for needing "a cuddle". It's human nature. All people need to feel wanted and valued, it's the first rule of man management.

 

[Clevers]

Mancini is managing a professional sports team not a kindergarten. If an over 25 yo pro needs cossetting he should be got rid of.

If you are not picked it's obvious Mancini doesn't think you are good enough, that's what he's paid to do. I never expected my bosses to kiss my ass and neither should they.

Bobby Robson probably thought Shay Given was Don Given anyway.

As for Stephen Ireland he seemed to have a bad world for every manager we had (well he had a good word when they joined and a bad word when they or he left).

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Might be worth adding: how many players have complimented his man management style?

so you would have mancini booted out on his arse tomorrow ?

No. I never said that. The fact that I think he is weak on the people management side doesn't mean I want him sacked tomorrow.

Like last season he has a set of objectives for the season, and if he hits them he can do what he wants. The ends justify the means.

 

[The Future's Blue]

So to put an end to the debate,whose with me in applauding him at the game tomorrow ?

i will.

Dunney Monster and Superman as well.

 

[moomba]

So, on the man-management issue, who believes that this is one of Mancini's qualities?

I do.

It won't suit every player (and supporter) but you don't get the results we are getting and play the way we are playing without being able to manage the resources at your disposal.

FWIW, any player that thinks they need to be "man managed" to perform to their best really has to take a good look at their own attitude to the game.

 

[bobmcfc]

So to put an end to the debate,whose with me in applauding him at the game tomorrow ?

i will.

Dunney Monster and Superman as well.

tell you what. i'll cheer dunney if he scores an own goal

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I think Mancini could be better at this. Given was and still is one of the top keepers in the league and I think someone like that does deserve to have an explanation as to why he has made a decision.

I dont think he handled the intial Tevez saga very well either. Saying he will never play for me again was very heat of the moment with little way back. He should have kept his cool and said I dont want to talk about that right now, giving he, the powers that be and Tevez time to dwell on the matter, speak behind closed doors and come up with a solution to suit all parties. Acting as rashly as he did has probably knocked £10m off what we might have got for Tevez.

Having said that if he keeps winning then who I am to doubt his style.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Mancini does seem to be a bit aloof but that shouldn't be a problem, nobody is perfect and everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. There is a large coaching/management staff at the club and I would have thought Mancini would be ok concentrating on the things he is good at and letting someone like Kidd or Platt put an arm around the players and explain why they have been left out for a better and younger player. Or does it specifically need to be Mancini who gives these fragile players a little cuddle to make them feel better?

It's a reasonable and pragmatic answer, Lancet. That's what I hope: that Mancini has adapted since Given's days (he took the whole squad out for a meal when Khaldoon came over to sort out player unrest last Spring), and the the club has the right chemistry behind the scenes to cater for the fact that everyone needs encouraging, communicating with.

But it's simplistic to critisize players for needing "a cuddle". It's human nature. All people need to feel wanted and valued, it's the first rule of man management.

But he was neither wanted nor valued (apart from the fact that his pay packet will have told him he was very valued indeed which let's be honest is more important than any number of arms around shoulders) and that is essentially the problem here isn't it? Basically Given was deemed not good enough by Mancini and presumably and naturally he doesn't like that. Ok, in an ideal world Mancini would have been all lovely about it but frankly, I doubt that would have made any difference at all in any real way. He would still have thought Mancini was a twat.

 

[bobmcfc]

Might be worth adding: how many players have complimented his man management style?

so you would have mancini booted out on his arse tomorrow ?

No. I never said that. The fact that I think he is weak on the people management side doesn't mean I want him sacked tomorrow.

Like last season he has a set of objectives for the season, and if he hits them he can do what he wants. The ends justify the means.

He won't ever change DD,i think that is one thing that needs to be excepted. he is what he is and unless results take a nose dive he will be here a very, very long time.

 

[Mikeegrini]

So, on the man-management issue, who believes that this is one of Mancini's qualities?

I'll raise my hand here. The man has the courage of his convictions and the spine to stand up to his critics, when his vision of how his side should play is challenged.

It is his side, come along or be left behind regardless of egos and prima donnas.

So a few ex-players now missing out on our success have realised what they have lost out on and make some noise, honestly who gives a toss.

Good effort mate but it didn't answer the question, just merely backing up peoples defence of all things Mancini.

Ok Bud. Regardless of who the manager is and at which club, business or organisation, I believe that as a manager his/her word is sacrosanct, he/she is the person who puts into practice the aims, ambitions, targets and direction the upper-management board wants and unless this person is allowed to manage in the way they deem best (as long as it falls within parameters the law allows and good practice dictates) you might as well manage via committee. Which in my opinion will only result in failure.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

So, on the man-management issue, who believes that this is one of Mancini's qualities?

I am a huge backer of Mancini and have been since day one but I do admit that man management is clearly his weak spot, I wouldn't deny that and don't really see why anyone else does. He probably recognises that weakness himself, I would imagine. Other members of staff need to try to step in and compensate for his aloof manner and players at the club need to grow up and realise that, like them, Mancini isn't perfect but makes up for his weaknesses in other areas. Maybe they shouldn't expect an arm around the shoulder from him when it is pretty clear even to people on the outside that they aren't likely to get one.

 

[Prodigal Son]

If my boss tried to put his arm around me I'd tell him to fuck off.

For Given to say he got no explanation of why he wasn't playing is ridiculous. It was plain to see.

If nothing else there are two front-line keepers at a Club. Both can't play. If you're the one not playing then surely you know that you are considered second best?

Do you really have to have it in writing?

 

[flb]

So, on the man-management issue, who believes that this is one of Mancini's qualities?

I am a huge backer of Mancini and have been since day one but I do admit that man management is clearly his weak spot, I wouldn't deny that and don't really see why anyone else does. He probably recognises that weakness himself, I would imagine. Other members of staff need to try to step in and compensate for his aloof manner and players at the club need to grow up and realise that, like them, Mancini isn't perfect but makes up for his weaknesses in other areas. Maybe they shouldn't expect an arm around the shoulder from him when it is pretty clear even to people on the outside that they aren't likely to get one.

Hes growing into the his job and the Manchester City psyche,look at all the players who are better players for being under Mancini's methods-even Silva who was already an immense talent is up there with Messi at the moment.Richards,Kompany,Lescott,Hart,Barry,Tevez(****)De Jong are all better players and have improved an awful lot under Mancini.

Wait till hes had real time to work with Clichy,Aguero,Dzeko for another season.

As has been said,Ferguson upset an awful lot of people in his early years at United and adapted to the United psyche and changed his managerial style once he had earned the respect of his players.Mancini will adapt similair im sure of that.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

So, on the man-management issue, who believes that this is one of Mancini's qualities?

I am a huge backer of Mancini and have been since day one but I do admit that man management is clearly his weak spot, I wouldn't deny that and don't really see why anyone else does. He probably recognises that weakness himself, I would imagine. Other members of staff need to try to step in and compensate for his aloof manner and players at the club need to grow up and realise that, like them, Mancini isn't perfect but makes up for his weaknesses in other areas. Maybe they shouldn't expect an arm around the shoulder from him when it is pretty clear even to people on the outside that they aren't likely to get one.

Hes growing into the his job and the Manchester City psyche,look at all the players who are better players for being under Mancini's methods-even Silva who was already an immense talent is up there with Messi at the moment.Richards,Kompany,Lescott,Hart,Barry,Tevez(****)De Jong are all better players and have improved an awful lot under Mancini.

Wait till hes had real time to work with Clichy,Aguero,Dzeko for another season.

As has been said,Ferguson upset an awful lot of people in his early years at United and adapted to the United psyche and changed his managerial style once he had earned the respect of his players.Mancini will adapt similair im sure of that.

You're preaching to the converted. I don't doubt his overall ability to manage the club at all. No manager is perfect but I think he has done and is doing a fantastic job.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I'll raise my hand here. The man has the courage of his convictions and the spine to stand up to his critics, when his vision of how his side should play is challenged.

It is his side, come along or be left behind regardless of egos and prima donnas.

So a few ex-players now missing out on our success have realised what they have lost out on and make some noise, honestly who gives a toss.

Good effort mate but it didn't answer the question, just merely backing up peoples defence of all things Mancini.

Ok Bud. Regardless of who the manager is and at which club, business or organisation, I believe that as a manager his/her word is sacrosanct, he/she is the person who puts into practice the aims, ambitions, targets and direction the upper-management board wants and unless this person is allowed to manage in the way they deem best (as long as it falls within parameters the law allows and good practice dictates) you might as well manage via committee. Which in my opinion will only result in failure.

I wasn't having a go bud (and don't disagree either), I was merely asking if, in peoples minds, man-management was one of Mancini's biggest qualities?

I asked as there are many posts seemingly attacking the mere thought that Given had answered a question honestly rather than ask if he was right about his opinion.

We're all City fans and support the manager but to not be able to have a thought of anything other than he is some sort of 'unquestionable' labels us all as sheep, and I don't like to be labelled as anything, especially a sheep.

 

[robbieh]

In my experience both at school and subsequently teachers/bosses who come across all nice and friendly initially almost always end up being smarmy two faced bastards.

Mancini is not interested in being these guys friends. For starters he is twenty to twenty five years older than all of them. He is the boss and he is acting like a good one. You can keep your Keegans, Venables, Harrys etc

You think Clough, Shankly, Nicholson, Stein were all overly matey with their players.

Given´s quotes have just provided the usual supects on here with the chance to criticiize our manager. Hope they enjoy it until our next win comes along.

 

[Oooh Curley Wurley]

Some of you need to wake up and smell the fucking coffee.

BORING BORING DUDSBURY

BORING BORING DUDSBURY

Go study Charlie HUGHES or was it Leslie

Guess you dont think we play well unless we score the same nunber
of goals as our opponents

We should know by now that according to the gospel of
Dudsbury only 1 point a game wins prizes

We will be stronger 2nd half of the season

Ha ha KFA - We prefer to be strong at the start to

KFA

 

[jay_mcfc]

I'd like him to manage our staff better.

Why, what's the problem NOW?

Wasn't Shay Given one of the players angry at MH being sacked even before RM started his job? Shay is acting like a big girl here full of bitterness. Imagine if he'd been Steve Harper for all those years?! In my opinion Hart should never have been shipped out to Birmingham in the first place even if in the long run it worked out well for him. To think, if Hughes was still in charge Given would be our No.1 tomorrow and Hart would probably be playing elsewhere!

RM took no prisoners when he first arrived. He shipped out a lot of very good players like Bellamy, Given, Adebayor, Ireland etc and none of them liked it. However, he made the right decision on every single one of them and apart from Tevez now the dressing room is first class.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

You think Clough, Shankly, Nicholson, Stein were all overly matey with their players.

Are you serious about this? I think you actually are.

Do you think any one of those managers didn't communicate with their players on a personal level and on an ongoing basis? Brian Clough and Bill Shankley were masters at getting their players bought into them. They key is, they knew that different players required managing in different ways. If you take Mancini's "one size fits all" approach, you alienate a number of your players, or don't get the best from them. And there are as-yet undiscovered lifeforms on the side of hydrothermic vents at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean who can see clearly that it's a problem with Mancini's style.

And with regards to your opening comment, I'd say that you work in a largely unskilled job, or haven't been a major success at what you do.

 

[Plain Speaking]

All managers have their own style. Some find more success than others.
Can all managers look to learn and improve?
Certainly, even Fergie admits that.
I dont think we should turn on Shay for giving his honest views. When you look at what he actually says it is not too controversial. The press will often twist innocuous statements to undermine our club.