Given should play on thursday..

[IrishMacca]

Oh right, they should be loyal, but we can treat them like crap right, welcome to Manchester City. It's a two way street. Or at least it should be. But because I don't smile and nod with the majority opinion on here when it comes to treating players right, not just like robots because we pay them, I'm not a true blue. FFS.

I didn't say that at all, I said why should football fans be loyal to any footballer, when no footballer is loyal to the fans. There are very few loyal football fans, the likes of Giggs and Scholes are in a very small minority these days. As for Given, ask Newcastle fans how loyal he is ?

They do a job, and will look after number ONE every time.

I think Newcaslte fans were say very, the majority anyway, seeing as he stuck it out for almost 12 years, I think that falls into the loyalty bracket, when he could have left anytime and went to a better club. Would you not consider that loyal, ya he left in the end after he gave as much as he could at Newcastle, took as much as he could from an awful set up at the time, and went somewhere he thought had the potential to win tropheys with, and finish out the rest of his career. Now tell me, is that not loyalty?

 

[cleavers]

For 12 years he was loyal, then he f**Ked off for a bigger pay cheque (last big pay cheque), while they were in the shit and needed him more than ever. Had he stayed there they may well have not gone down.

Is Barry loyal as well then ?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

1) Hart is our best keeper and is in the form of his life.
2) Given has a back injury so unlikely that we can sell him.
3) He's mouthed off so I imagine Roberto wants rid.
4) Solution, loan to fulham once we find a number 2/3 (we have taylor)

 

[IrishMacca]

For 12 years he was loyal, then he f**Ked off for a bigger pay cheque (last big pay cheque), while they were in the shit and needed him more than ever. Had he stayed there they may well have not gone down.

Is Barry loyal as well then ?

He said that he almost walked away from the game at one point he was so disheartened.
Things had gotten so bad at Newcastle behind the scene. City came along, offered him a once in a career opportunity. Now for me 12 years at a club when he could have gone to a better one is pretty loyal, and 99% of Newcastle fans feel the same way. And I'd take their opionion on the situation at Newcastle over a City's fans opinion on it. And if he is around for the Newcastle away game we'll get their opinion of him pretty loud and clear.

Newcaslte were very quick to get rid of him as well because they badly needed the money. He remains a toon legend for 99% of their fans and their word is enough for me. I think 12 seasons, keeping them up for many of those seasons, going through manager after manager, and crap behind the scenes..12 seasons of that..seems a show of incredible loyalty to me.
He had enough of it, the Liverpool loss where they lost 4/5-0 was probably the best display I've seen from a keeper, was the breaking point and everyone watching could tell.
By then he couldn't stomach any more and City offered him something other than the crap at Newcaslte, something which genuine Newcastle fans recognise.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:44 pm --<br /><br />

1) Hart is our best keeper and is in the form of his life.
2) Given has a back injury so unlikely that we can sell him.
3) He's mouthed off so I imagine Roberto wants rid.
4) Solution, loan to fulham once we find a number 2/3 (we have taylor)

1) He's 23.
2) Well clearly not if he's on the bench.
3) Are you for real. Either you're a sensitive teenage girl or you really are trying to scrape an empty barel for excuses. In what way did he mouth of exactly because there is absoluetly no way that you can say what he said to be mouthing off, Given said he wants to start, if he doesn't he'll have to consider what he might do, but he wants to stay, Hart said either he plays or he'll probably leave on more than one occasion, one about a week before Given said what he said. If that annoyed Mancini, Hart would have been sold months ago.
4)He's too good for Fulham and he'll want, deserves, something better than that. But it will give him first team football if we refuse to give him to anyone else. We wont play him, but we wont give him to a team where he could help them beat us.

 

[cleavers]

[quote="IrishMacca]City came along, offered him a once in a career opportunity.[/quote]

Correct.

Trouble is according to media reports, he's the one who suddenly isn't so loyal to City, simply because he's been left out of THREE games.

I note that you didn't address the "cup tied" argument. If we play him, he can't be used in those competitions, so until September 1st (unless Hart is injured) Mancini is right not to use him, because it reduces the price we can get if he does insist on leaving.

I also note you didn't reply to my Barry question, he did much the same at Villa. Is that because he's not Irish ?

 

[IrishMacca]

[quote="IrishMacca]City came along, offered him a once in a career opportunity.

Correct.

Trouble is according to media reports, he's the one who suddenly isn't so loyal to City, simply because he's been left out of THREE games.

I note that you didn't address the "cup tied" argument. If we play him, he can't be used in those competitions, so until September 1st (unless Hart is injured) Mancini is right not to use him, because it reduces the price we can get if he does insist on leaving.

I also note you didn't reply to my Barry question, he did much the same at Villa. Is that because he's not Irish ?[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

He's not going to play this season and that's as clear as day. He'll get the odd few cup games, but that isn't enough, and he's too good to sit on the bench.

Mancini said that's it's not a question of him requesting not to play in the Europe games, so either he's plans to sell him, which doesn't seem the case, or he just doesn't want to play him, which is clear.

Barry also showed incredible loyalty to Villa, I mean what do you want, them to spill their blood and right the clubs name in it.
But would you not call like 10 and 12 years to one club being loyal? Especially Newcastle. They gave everything to their clubs, and their fans respect them for it, why can't you?

 

[cleavers]

Newcastle were until quite recently "up there", a lot more liklely to win something than City, so he stayed, then the shit fell out of it, Given left like a rat from a sinking ship.

Barry is pretty disliked at Villa despite his loyalty.

Footballers are only loyal to their wallets.

Your original argument was that the fan should show some loyalty to Given, I asked why, but perhaps I should ask how, since he hasn't been picked, should we all refuse to attend until he's given his place back ?

Fact is the better player for the future is now in goal, and as a City supporter I applaud that.

Given will not play in the Europa League before September 1st, until he either says he'll stay, until after the deadline, or until Hart gets injured, simply because it reduces his potential sell on value. Thats good business, no matter the players nationality.

 

[IrishMacca]

Newcastle were until quite recently "up there", a lot more liklely to win something than City, so he stayed, then the shit fell out of it, Given left like a rat from a sinking ship.

Barry is pretty disliked at Villa despite his loyalty.

Footballers are only loyal to their wallets.

Your original argument was that the fan should show some loyalty to Given, I asked why, but perhaps I should ask how, since he hasn't been picked, should we all refuse to attend until he's given his place back ?

Fact is the better player for the future is now in goal, and as a City supporter I applaud that.

Given will not play in the Europa League before September 1st, until he either says he'll stay, until after the deadline, or until Hart gets injured, simply because it reduces his potential sell on value. Thats good business, no matter the players nationality.

Are you for real, he stayed at Newcastle for almost 12 seasons because they were more likely to win something than City? What next..

Did you start following football yesterday? Clearly you know nothing about Given or his character and less about Newcaslte and the reasons why Given left. And it seems less again about football in general.

You probably don't care either, but 99% of Newcastle fans consider him a legend and one who was incredible loyal, and at the end of the day that's their opinion and one I imagine he feels is more important. He very much loved Newcastle and found it very difficult to leave. Not all players are like the modern spoiled brats of the games these days. Their wallets aren't the first thing to come to mind. I know, shock horror, but there was a day when the game functioned without money being the first priority.

I'm not saying that, like you're dramatic reaction suggests, we should refuse to attend till Given gets his place back, my point is that there should be a point where ye care what happens to the player who up till recently was our no.1 and an excellent one at that. If we demand loyalty from them, we should give it back. Apparently not in your view.

But I guess that's what money is doing to this club.

 

[manctys]

yeah i totally agree mate..should have given in between the sticks for all the cup competitions and hart in for the league, that way keeps both of the lads happy. wouldn't mind seeing some of the younger lads get a chance in the FA cup aswell, like wenger used to do...

 

[Warwickhunt]

I didn't say that at all, I said why should football fans be loyal to any footballer, when no footballer is loyal to the fans. There are very few loyal football fans, the likes of Giggs and Scholes are in a very small minority these days. As for Given, ask Newcastle fans how loyal he is ?

They do a job, and will look after number ONE every time.

I think Newcaslte fans were say very, the majority anyway, seeing as he stuck it out for almost 12 years, I think that falls into the loyalty bracket, when he could have left anytime and went to a better club. Would you not consider that loyal, ya he left in the end after he gave as much as he could at Newcastle, took as much as he could from an awful set up at the time, and went somewhere he thought had the potential to win tropheys with, and finish out the rest of his career. Now tell me, is that not loyalty?

you'll be hard pushed to find a true newcastle fan who has a bad word to say about given, they needed the money and the deal was a good one for them as they had a capable understudy there in harper anyway to step in as he had done many times in the past, even kept given out of the side on occasions.

Given is even kept in high regard by sunderland fans, even though he was only there on loan, but they knew if he hadn't been there they wouldn't have won promotion that season.

you might be a mod cleavers, but on that quote you made about newcastle fans not thinking he wasn't loyal, your way off the mark it's unreal, he had plenty of chances to leave before and chose to stay.

As for the rest of the topic, i don't think bobby will play him in europe before the end of the transfer window for obvious reasons.