Given should play on thursday..

[alera]

Newcastle fans were not happy when he left them in January pretty much relegating the club opposed to waiting till the end of season. He put in a transfer request and forced the move. They still respect him for what he did for the club, but he lost a fair amount of goodwill with the majority of their support the way he played it in the end.

Regardless, I am sure most City fans and the manager would be happy to give Given games in the cups etc. The problem is his attitude is now being questioned, is he going to be disruptive and if he is willing to stay and fight for his place ?

Given played this badly IMO, hes not an outfield player and we have another top quality keeper, if you are going to force the move you have to do a Bellamy and burn all your bridges, Givens route is less direct and much less effective, but pisses everyone off all the same. You cant have it both ways.

There are plenty of games for him to play, keepers get injured and suspended Given himself missed a load of games last season due to his shoulder.

Considering his age and previous injury issues plus the number of games we have to play each season I cant see what the problem is really.

 

[gerrygowsjockstrap]

He needs to get a few games under his belt. What happens if Joe Hart gets injuried. Also all of you fans who call Givens. Take a look at last nights match. Hart pulls off great shot stoppers. But he needs to practice on his dstribution. I am not having a go. He will be our No:1 keeper for years to come. But all players have a weakness they need to practice on. Last thing those who say Givens has threatend to leave. Well it was Hart who said it 1st. Now lets not all fall out & get behind who ever the manager picks.

 

[IrishMacca]

I think Newcaslte fans were say very, the majority anyway, seeing as he stuck it out for almost 12 years, I think that falls into the loyalty bracket, when he could have left anytime and went to a better club. Would you not consider that loyal, ya he left in the end after he gave as much as he could at Newcastle, took as much as he could from an awful set up at the time, and went somewhere he thought had the potential to win tropheys with, and finish out the rest of his career. Now tell me, is that not loyalty?

you'll be hard pushed to find a true newcastle fan who has a bad word to say about given, they needed the money and the deal was a good one for them as they had a capable understudy there in harper anyway to step in as he had done many times in the past, even kept given out of the side on occasions.

Given is even kept in high regard by sunderland fans, even though he was only there on loan, but they knew if he hadn't been there they wouldn't have won promotion that season.

you might be a mod cleavers, but on that quote you made about newcastle fans not thinking he wasn't loyal, your way off the mark it's unreal, he had plenty of chances to leave before and chose to stay.

As for the rest of the topic, i don't think bobby will play him in europe before the end of the transfer window for obvious reasons.

Niall Quinn said, when talking about Given in the 02 world cup.. "Once came to Sunderland on loan for eight games but made such an impression that the staff still ask about him. A good lad."

All due respect Cleavers, and yes I did get carried away, but you're totally off about Given's loyalty. Way, way off and it's out of line.

You will rarely find a Newcaslte fan who has a bad word to say about him, and he never got booed at Sunderland, and that's something, they still hold a very high opinion of him. And that says a lot.

Things were really bad at Newcaslte, yes him leaving annoyed a few, but hell some of the fans were almost ready to jump ship themselves.
He gave all of himself to Newcaslte, was driven to a point where he almost walked away from the game, was given a way out and the club agreed, quickly. He did not enjoy leaving, had he stayed ya they might have stayed up, but he had carried them to breaking point, but at the end of the day, Newcastle could have turned him down but they didn't and were happy to sell.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:49 am --<br /><br />

Newcastle fans were not happy when he left them in January pretty much relegating the club opposed to waiting till the end of season. He put in a transfer request and forced the move. They still respect him for what he did for the club, but he lost a fair amount of goodwill with the majority of their support the way he played it in the end.

Regardless, I am sure most City fans and the manager would be happy to give Given games in the cups etc. The problem is his attitude is now being questioned, is he going to be disruptive and if he is willing to stay and fight for his place ?

Given played this badly IMO, hes not an outfield player and we have another top quality keeper, if you are going to force the move you have to do a Bellamy and burn all your bridges, Givens route is less direct and much less effective, but pisses everyone off all the same. You cant have it both ways.

There are plenty of games for him to play, keepers get injured and suspended Given himself missed a load of games last season due to his shoulder.

Considering his age and previous injury issues plus the number of games we have to play each season I cant see what the problem is really.

Some were annoyed he left but none blamed him, and most genuine fans could only thank and praise him.

He isn't the type of player to be disruptive, if he leaves he'll do so but without kicking up a fuss I'm sure. And if he was going to, we would have heard about it by now, and the way things were going, had the opposite happened, going on past evidence Hart would have kicked up a hell of a fuss and be gone by now going on his countless comments.

Given missed the last handful of games last season because he was injured. If he's lucky he might get a handful of games this season. It's not even nearly the same.

You can't see why a 34 year old keeper would wouldn't be happy with just getting the odd few games, cup games. You can't see why that might make him unhappy?
You can't see what the problem is? 34 is the age you want a keeper, that's still young for a keeper and their going into their prime. He can play out the rest of his career on top form till he's like 38/39, as most top keepers do, time he doesn't want wasted on the bench.

You really can't see what his problem might be?
Has the money warped the brains of City fans or something?

 

[cleavers]

I'm not saying that, like you're dramatic reaction suggests, we should refuse to attend till Given gets his place back, my point is that there should be a point where ye care what happens to the player who up till recently was our no.1 and an excellent one at that. If we demand loyalty from them, we should give it back. Apparently not in your view.

But I guess that's what money is doing to this club.

Money does that to FOOTBALLERS AND CLUBS, it has for years. You called for loyalty to a footballer from the fan, I asked why, I still ask why, I see no reason, I haven't for about 20 years now. Footballers come and go, managers come and go, owners come and go, but fans remain, well at most clubs they do anyway.

Calling into question how long I've followed football ? hahaha, long enough to know that the vast majority of them do it as a job, and follow their noses to the best money they can get, if you think otherwise then you are deluded. Given (and I have nothing against him at all) has done just that, after 3 games out of the number 1 spot, he's showing no loyalty to MY club.

You completely fail to understand what I'm saying, he'll play if he stays, if he doesn't commit he won't play until after the deadline for reasons explained above ad nauseum.

He should NOT play on Thursday because Hart is now number one, Given will still pick up more money for his one weeks work than I will get in 4, its such a tough life eh ?

If and when he plays he'll get exactly the same support from me as any other player, I base my support on the club they play for not the country they come from.

 

[IrishMacca]

I'm not saying that, like you're dramatic reaction suggests, we should refuse to attend till Given gets his place back, my point is that there should be a point where ye care what happens to the player who up till recently was our no.1 and an excellent one at that. If we demand loyalty from them, we should give it back. Apparently not in your view.

But I guess that's what money is doing to this club.

Money does that to FOOTBALLERS AND CLUBS, it has for years. You called for loyalty to a footballer from the fan, I asked why, I still ask why, I see no reason, I haven't for about 20 years now. Footballers come and go, managers come and go, owners come and go, but fans remain, well at most clubs they do anyway.

Calling into question how long I've followed football ? hahaha, long enough to know that the vast majority of them do it as a job, and follow their noses to the best money they can get, if you think otherwise then you are deluded. Given (and I have nothing against him at all) has done just that, after 3 games out of the number 1 spot, he's showing no loyalty to MY club.

You completely fail to understand what I'm saying, he'll play if he stays, if he doesn't commit he won't play until after the deadline for reasons explained above ad nauseum.

He should NOT play on Thursday because Hart is now number one, Given will still pick up more money for his one weeks work than I will get in 4, its such a tough life eh ?

If and when he plays he'll get exactly the same support from me as any other player, I base my support on the club they play for not the country they come from.

And I answered you. I told you that if we expect them to be loyal, the least we can do is not treat them like crap or like they are usless and mean feck all.
He was told, well Mancini told us, and so probably told him that he should stay because there are more competitions that he probably told him he'd play in, this is another competition. If he's not going to play him in any of them, then he should leave.
It is not, hard to believe I know, always about the money, especially for old school type players like Given.
And saying he gets paid enough, oh what a tough life, just because he gets paid a lot doesn't mean we can treat him like crap. But hey, this clubs new motto seems to be that money fixes everything so why not.

He has done nothing to show that he isn't showing loyalty to City, nothing at all. Not one comment to the press, not one word. And if it was Hart, going on his endless interviews to the press, had it been the other way around, he probably would have gone by now.

Me calling into question your following of football is about as ridiculous as you saying Given was like a rat leaving Newcastle, which was well off the mark and most Newcastle, hell football supporters in general with an ounce of knowledge in their brain, could have told you otherwise, and from you, that was well off mark and out of line.

I perfectly understand that there is good reason for an argument of him not being played until passed the deadline, (though if Mancini had any intention of playing him, or showing him that he wanted him to stay, he would have played him, because that would have pleased Given even in a small way.)

But that is not what I'm annoyed about, it is the fact that you are questioning a players loyalty after he played 12 years at a club he was too good and could have left and any time, and many felt he should have, even his own fans. But stuck it out untill he could stomach no more. Newcaslte fans seem to think he was incredibly loyal, but you can't..and you say you don't have a problem with him?

Again, it is not all about the money, I mean, as shocking as it is, football is actually more important, shocking these days I know.

Sadly though, City getting all this money has changed the club and some fans for the worse.

 

[ElanJo]

No he shouldn't. Not exactly wise to Cup tie a player who may potentially leave before the window shuts.

 

[Fame Monster]

Surplus to requirements. I'm sure he'd be number one at 15 other clubs in the prem, but not this one.

 

[cleavers]

And I answered you.

And I gave up arguing, its pointless, you don't read the arguments, you just think he should be playing, well Mancini doesn't, and there's nothing you or I can do about it. Persnaonlly I'm happy with team selections based on what I've seen.

As for treating him like crap, we're not, not the fans, nor the club in my opinion, he just unluckily lost out to another player, lika several thousand others up and down the country last week, and the week before, and every other week, whether they were on the bench or not.

We're actually THREE games into a season, yet you post as if he's not played Given for 12 months. Treating him like crap my @rse, we're treating like any other footballer at this club, and every other club.

Its got nothing to do with money, nor has my opinion. As for the dig at my support of this club having changed, well I can tell you I've followed them through thin and thinner, and my attitude to players is the same as it was when we had Pollock, Dickov, and even big fat Bob playing for us, they'll come here for the best pay day, and leave for a better one when it suits, (or they get dropped), they'll even kiss the badge now and then, but they are only "Manchester City" while they are here, and nothing is more certain than they will ALL move on.

Unfortunately its now more difficult to leave our club because they are paid so well here. Given is so badly thought of by the club, its well reported we've actually offered him a pay rise to stay, treated like crap my @rse.

 

[lostgalaxy]

Poor Shay.

Should hook back with Hughes.

 

[stumpy_mcfc]

Can't drop Hart in this form. Continuation is key.

Given's form didn't justify him being dropped but he was. Mancini said that there was 4 comps that he'd be played, he can't really go back on his word, especially if he's forcing him to stay. It's unfair.

The one thing it is not is unfair!! We are paying x amount a week and he was happy to come and pick that up - well here it is, he does what the pay masters say. Now that is what I call fair.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:00 am --<br /><br />

For 12 years he was loyal, then he f**Ked off for a bigger pay cheque (last big pay cheque), while they were in the shit and needed him more than ever. Had he stayed there they may well have not gone down.

Is Barry loyal as well then ?

He said that he almost walked away from the game at one point he was so disheartened.
Things had gotten so bad at Newcastle behind the scene. City came along, offered him a once in a career opportunity. Now for me 12 years at a club when he could have gone to a better one is pretty loyal, and 99% of Newcastle fans feel the same way. And I'd take their opionion on the situation at Newcastle over a City's fans opinion on it. And if he is around for the Newcastle away game we'll get their opinion of him pretty loud and clear.

Newcaslte were very quick to get rid of him as well because they badly needed the money. He remains a toon legend for 99% of their fans and their word is enough for me. I think 12 seasons, keeping them up for many of those seasons, going through manager after manager, and crap behind the scenes..12 seasons of that..seems a show of incredible loyalty to me.
He had enough of it, the Liverpool loss where they lost 4/5-0 was probably the best display I've seen from a keeper, was the breaking point and everyone watching could tell.
By then he couldn't stomach any more and City offered him something other than the crap at Newcaslte, something which genuine Newcastle fans recognise.

-- Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:44 pm --

1) Hart is our best keeper and is in the form of his life.
2) Given has a back injury so unlikely that we can sell him.
3) He's mouthed off so I imagine Roberto wants rid.
4) Solution, loan to fulham once we find a number 2/3 (we have taylor)

1) He's 23.
2) Well clearly not if he's on the bench.
3) Are you for real. Either you're a sensitive teenage girl or you really are trying to scrape an empty barel for excuses. In what way did he mouth of exactly because there is absoluetly no way that you can say what he said to be mouthing off, Given said he wants to start, if he doesn't he'll have to consider what he might do, but he wants to stay, Hart said either he plays or he'll probably leave on more than one occasion, one about a week before Given said what he said. If that annoyed Mancini, Hart would have been sold months ago.
4)He's too good for Fulham and he'll want, deserves, something better than that. But it will give him first team football if we refuse to give him to anyone else. We wont play him, but we wont give him to a team where he could help them beat us.

And you think in the interest of fairness we should sell him to Arsenal and plug the one hole they have. I am sure every City fan will think that is good business.

I am sure you have City at heart but maybe you are a Ireland country team fan who supports City and not a City fan who just wants to see your Country do well. That is OK and a valid choice - it is just that I but City before all other football teams - Country or otherwise.

I live in Ireland so was stunned to see the arrogance of Shay in his interview over here saying "If I am not number one then I will leave". Also I have been here long enough to know that Shay would never give his place to another team mate. I think it was Dean Kiely (sp) who would not even get a game in friendlies that he retired from International football and the same was true at Newcastle with Harper.

If Shay want to leave then he goes where we want to loan or sell him and then he misses out on a good thing. Gone are the days where we have to beg players to stay with us, we are in control and that is how it should be.