Given the job to just tick a box

[hammocity]

But you’ve never had a female boss so you haven’t got any.

His opinion maybe based on female bosses he’s observed within the Organisation he works for or anecdotal evidence of co-workers.

 

[andyhinch]

Only had 4 jobs before starting my own business and the worst one by a mile was a woman who didn’t want me there but I’d been at the company for 10 years before she arrived.

She was a Southerner divorced from a Blue who shares my first name, think she didn’t like me by association. I told her she was a fucking idiot and walked, (not spontaneous), by that time out of her team of around 10 admin staff half fucked of because of her (all female) don’t think she likes Northerners!

Sent a disparaging email to HR on some of her dodgy practices (like going for a smoke several times a day but denying her staff the same privilege) smelt like an ashtray, dirty git and useless to boot.

I’m my experience the bad ones are a fucking nightmare but the good ones have been very organised and good at their jobs.

 

[hammocity]

I’m my experience the bad ones are a fucking nightmare but the good ones have been very organised and good at their jobs.

I don’t doubt it, I had the former as per my previous post but the female HR Director was a great girl who was universally liked, she was so calm, collected and friendly to everyone and very good at her job.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The push to not employ the best for the job but the best profile or targets has shall we say come back to bite certain employers after a few years. The trouble been those few have spoilt it for those who are good, unfortunately these employers are now stuck with them or are struggling to get rid of them because it’s so hard to sack someone these days, the endless red tape they have to go through it can take years. Thankfully now the powers that be seem to have acknowledged this and going back to best for the job gets in. I have no issue with anyone joining a job as long as they know what they are doing.
I worked with a guy once who had his own small business he openly said he would never employ a woman of child bearing age, he reasoning was the potential cost of it all, she gets pregnant, days off sick, then maternity leave etc he then would have to employ someone else whilst she was off to do that job, he couldn’t be arsed with cost and hassle and he has a point,I’ve seen some rinse the system with having kids knowing full well what they are doing, which again ruins it for those who don’t but get tarred with with the same brush.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The push to not employ the best for the job but the best profile or targets has shall we say come back to bite certain employers after a few years. The trouble been those few have spoilt it for those who are good, unfortunately these employers are now stuck with them or are struggling to get rid of them because it’s so hard to sack someone these days, the endless red tape they have to go through it can take years. Thankfully now the powers that be seem to have acknowledged this and going back to best for the job gets in. I have no issue with anyone joining a job as long as they know what they are doing.
I worked with a guy once who had his own small business he openly said he would never employ a woman of child bearing age, he reasoning was the potential cost of it all, she gets pregnant, days off sick, then maternity leave etc he then would have to employ someone else whilst she was off to do that job, he couldn’t be arsed with cost and hassle and he has a point,I’ve seen some rinse the system with having kids knowing full well what they are doing, which again ruins it for those who don’t but get tarred with with the same brush.

Which is against the law.

Eligible small businesses can also reclaim these costs back from the government.

Get financial help with statutory pay

Reclaim Statutory Maternity, Paternity, Adoption, Parental Bereavement Pay and Shared Parental Pay, find out about Small Employers’ Relief and get help if you cannot afford payments.

www.gov.uk

 

[Blue Maverick]

Which is against the law.

Eligible small businesses can also reclaim these costs back from the government.

Get financial help with statutory pay

Reclaim Statutory Maternity, Paternity, Adoption, Parental Bereavement Pay and Shared Parental Pay, find out about Small Employers’ Relief and get help if you cannot afford payments.

www.gov.uk

What’s against the law, him choosing not to employ someone, whilst
it maybe, if he gets two candidates and one is male and one female he can choose who he wants, he just says he prefers the male candidate was better at the interview, prove him wrong! He also I must say a problem with woman but I can see his point of view.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What’s against the law, him choosing not to employ someone, whilst
it maybe, if he gets two candidates and one is male and one female he can choose who he wants, he just says he prefers the male candidate was better at the interview, prove him wrong! He also I must say a problem with woman but I can see his point of view.

Age based discrimination and sex based discrimination.

If you are making decisions based on gender and age except where there is a reasonable exemption (e.g. Females only for lone home based care involving dressing and changing) then it is against the law.

It’s a paper exercise, two candidates. Male and female, he has already made his decision before it gets to the interview.

Would you also accept men being subject to unfair recruitment practices?

Jolyon Maugham:

"As a student he was sent by a temping agency to carry out secretarial work at a law firm, but was sent back for being a man. Maugham sued, claiming to be a victim of sex discrimination, and was awarded compensation."

Suppose you needed a change of career to a less physical job or the above happened to one of your friends or relatives?

 

[give it to gordon]

Age based discrimination and sex based discrimination.

If you are making decisions based on gender and age except where there is a reasonable exemption (e.g. Females only for lone home based care involving dressing and changing) then it is against the law.

How would the law know. If both candidates are equal are you saying he has to employ the woman ? Because it ticks boxes

I agree you cant discriminate. If you have two equal candidates you go on gut feeling

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

How would the law know. If both candidates are equal are you saying he has to employ the woman ?

I agree you cant discriminate. If you have two equal candidates you go on gut feeling

That's pretty much a mere hypothetical though, there will be other factors tht swing it. Cultural fit, likelihood to stay within the role longer etc.

If his mate was running a larger business in a sector that had a more equal mix between genders I would imagine he might find himself the target of legal action if it became an open secret.

If you are discriminating based on age or gender then it isn't gut instinct it is a decision made before you started the process.

Another point he mentioned was best person for the job, it is presumably a relatively low paid public sector role. Did you have that much interest?

I was the only one that accepted one of two roles advertised once, and they had to employ a temp through an agency (she later became permanent).

 

[Bigg Bigg Blue]

I've had a woman boss for the last 30 years, she's called the wife :)