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Gundogan
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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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You think gundogan will be the only central mid arriving then zin?
I bloody hope not (:
OB1
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Literally right behind Kun.... His ability to drive and find a pass is exceptional through the middle, if Pep plays two attacking wingbacks, which we expect him to, KDB is integral to that system.... I see Silva maybe playing in a compact 3 sometimes with Gundogan fern/.........? But certainly not pushed out wide.
Interesting. So you don't think he will adopt a pure 4-3-3 as his base formation?
It would probably only get a passing mention at about 3 minutes to the hour every hour.C'mon City take United's thunder and announce Gundogan
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Just out of curiosity Leighton, how many seasons did you feel yaya had left in him at the end of 13/14?? Silva is declining, if people want to admit that or not is a different story... He's still a brilliant player but we've seen the frustration with him this season, he will be phased out over the next couple of years and head home!!
There's a big difference between the two.
Yaya is 6'3 about 15 stone and a big part of his game is physicality. Age has caught up with him and his physical decline has been alarming over the last couple of years.
He's not got the explosive burst of pace that he used to have which has seen his performance drop. But the bigger issue is his stamina. He's like a heavyweight boxer, stamina was never his strong point, but he could get away with it with bursts of power and pace. But now he's not got the stamina to last all game and he's not got the burst of pace either, so physically he's shot at the top level.
Silva is completely different. He's 5'7 and about 10 stone. He's never relied on phsicality. His pace or endurance is no different to what it was 3 years ago. He relies on intelligence, technique and movement. He still has all of those attributes.
He's been playing through injury for most of the season. He's walking on to the pitch in pain and you can see it in him every time he gets fouled that he's in pain with his ankle. If Nasri, Sterling and De Bruyne hadn't been injured so much he wouldn't have been playing. He's put himself through the pain barrier with injections for the good of the team.
Yaya's was a gradual physical decline. Silva's wasn't. The first 5 games of the season before injury Silva was in the best form of his career. West Brom away is the best he's ever played for us. He was getting talked about as a shoe-in for player of the season. There was no talk of a physical decline at that point.
His drop off in performance were as a direct result of the ankle injury. You could see it as early as his first game back. He came off the bench for the last 10 minutes and kept giving it away. He wasn't moving freely and wasn't himself at all. Nothing to do with pace, power or endurance, and all to do with being injured and playing through pain.
Terminal physical decline and injury are two different things. Yaya is the former, Silva the latter. If he can stay injury free he's got many years left at the top level. His hero Valleron has just retired at 40. They are similar players, if Silva can shake off this long standing ankle issue there's no reason why he couldn't play at the top level until a similar age.
leighton
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Just out of curiosity Leighton, how many seasons did you feel yaya had left in him at the end of 13/14?? Silva is declining, if people want to admit that or not is a different story... He's still a brilliant player but we've seen the frustration with him this season, he will be phased out over the next couple of years and head home!!
With Yaya Zin it depended on the role as a deep midfielder beside 1 of the Ferns maybe 1. As a player behind Kun without him tracking back lol maybe a bit longer as that season he scored 20 goals or more. He has lost the legs since that season. And needed to be phased out more than Silva just my opinion. I think Silva could have a bit longer as a starter in the team. Most would agree season after season he has created many goals and with better players around him he can get more room to create for others.
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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There's a big difference between the two.
Yaya is 6'3 about 15 stone and a big part of his game is physicality. Age has caught up with him and his physical decline has been alarming over the last couple of years.
He's not got the explosive burst of pace that he used to have which has seen his performance drop. But the bigger issue is his stamina. He's like a heavyweight boxer, stamina was never his strong point, but he could get away with it with bursts of power and pace. But now he's not got the stamina to last all game and he's not got the burst of pace either, so physically he's shot at the top level.
Silva is completely different. He's 5'7 and about 10 stone. He's never relied on phsicality. His pace or endurance is no different to what it was 3 years ago. He relies on intelligence, technique and movement. He still has all of those attributes.
He's been playing through injury for most of the season. He's walking on to the pitch in pain and you can see it in him every time he gets fouled that he's in pain with his ankle. If Nasri, Sterling and De Bruyne hadn't been injured so much he wouldn't have been playing. He's put himself through the pain barrier with injections for the good of the team.
Yaya's was a gradual physical decline. Silva's wasn't. The first 5 games of the season before injury Silva was in the best form of his career. West Brom away is the best he's ever played for us. He was getting talked about as a shoe-in for player of the season. There was no talk of a physical decline at that point.
His drop off in performance were as a direct result of the ankle injury. You could see it as early as his first game back. He came off the bench for the last 10 minutes and kept giving it away. He wasn't moving freely and wasn't himself at all. Nothing to do with pace, power or endurance, and all to do with being injured and playing through pain.
Terminal physical decline and injury are two different things. Yaya is the former, Silva the latter. If he can stay injury free he's got many years left at the top level. His hero Valleron has just retired at 40. They are similar players, if Silva can shake off this long standing ankle issue there's no reason why he couldn't play at the top level until a similar age.
We'll agree to disagree on this one.... Should he start over KDB? out of curiosity
As alluded to, he has the euros this summer, when's he actually getting fit then? Free from this troublesome ankle...
Personally I don't think a fit David silva will start in city's side in 12 months, just my opinion however, I could be wrong!!
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Interesting. So you don't think he will adopt a pure 4-3-3 as his base formation?
Possibly but I still see silva out of that equation... Looking forward to seeing nasri in the set up more than anyone!!
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C'mon City take United's thunder and announce Gundogan
BBC wouldn't announce the signing and the other whores will still be wanking themselves silly over PEG.
OB1
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Possibly but I still see silva out of that equation... Looking forward to seeing nasri in the set up more than anyone!!
I don't personally see Silva as a first name on the team sheet kind of guy if we get the players I hope for. I'm still dreaming of a midfield three of Gundogan - as the DM - Kroos and Pogba but that could be a tad optimistic, transfer wise. Nasri could be an alternate for the Kroos (Xavi) role.
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