Has Anything Changed For You...?

[BridgyDids]

This is @Bigga, on every post.

 

[Bigga]

This is @Bigga, on every post.

Is he wrong, though? You've always gotta be open to the other argument.

That's all I'm saying...

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

One thing
Sometimes you see people bathing in propaganda, you have a strong feeling that you need to remind them "No, that's not the truth". And then, you get the reply "WE DON'T CARE".

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Is he wrong, though? You've always gotta be open to the other argument.

That's all I'm saying...

I think the point might be that you are a bad faith devil's advocate and we can usually tell that you naturally sway towards one way, so "I'm just asking questions" isn't really very convincing.

 

[Bigga]

I think the point might be that you are a bad faith devil's advocate and we can usually tell that you naturally sway towards one way, so "I'm just asking questions" isn't really very convincing.

Firstly, I understood his jibe and I made light of it.

Secondly whether I, naturally, sway to one side, doesn't mean the position doesn't hold weight. The question posed at the beginning of the thread was about if the views you held before the recent spate of events where there is a clear division of wealth and health, has changed.

If you think that's a biased question to ask, how would you have phrased things?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Firstly, I understood his jibe and I made light of it.

Secondly whether I, naturally, sway to one side, doesn't mean the position doesn't hold weight. The question posed at the beginning of the thread was about if the views you held before the recent spate of events where there is a clear division of wealth and health, has changed.

If you think that's a biased question to ask, how would you have phrased things?

It was a general point.

I've not watched it yet. It's 20 minutes long. I'll take a look and listen and get back to you.

I've also watched some of your longer videos all the way before and possibly even been the only one to have done that in some specific instances. I just didn't tell you because I'd listened to enough to know that the points being made in the videos didn't actually stand up.

 

[Bigga]

It was a general point.

I've not watched it yet. It's 20 minutes long. I'll take a look and listen and get back to you.

I've also watched some of your longer videos all the way before and possibly even been the only one to have done that in some specific instances. I just didn't tell you because I'd listened to enough to know that the points being made in the videos didn't actually stand up.

Without proof that the general reasoning behind some of the longer format posting "didn't stand up" then there's no point in mentioning it.

No long form video is going to appeal to everyone, but the general reasoning is always sincere.

But, you raise a point that I think is the problem. I don't think most of what I post can be argued with, but the macros are in play and that's where the rows come from.

It's rather like the Bast(ard)ani/ Galloway interview yesterday; it's not the general overarching position that Galloway holds, it's the position of the macro that can be twisted to find an argument with.

 

[Palerider]

I thought this might be an interesting experiment to see if anyone has changed their position on things in the last few years or held yourself steadfast to the beliefs you had.

Not looking for an argument, just wondering on whether your information intake is different or not.

Will you bother watching it? Who knows...

On a similar vein, there is a brilliant series on the BBC Iplayer that I watched recently.
The Century of the Self (2004) -so not new but 8.8 on IMD. 4 Episodes.
It's not highbrow at all and a very easy watch. It's about Freud, psychoanalysis and how businesses and politicians attempt to manipulate the masses.

 

[supercity88]

I thought this might be an interesting experiment to see if anyone has changed their position on things in the last few years or held yourself steadfast to the beliefs you had.

Not looking for an argument, just wondering on whether your information intake is different or not.

Will you bother watching it? Who knows...

I think we all have an almost inbuilt moral compass which dictates what we believe in, and in the world of social media we're constantly getting little bits of manipulated information which help shore up our beliefs. We'd really have to read the same story in 5 or more different forms of media spanning the political spectrum in order to get our own grasp of what the truth is and what we feel about it. But this is a fast paced world where a headline often doesn't reflect the story at all. So we skip through things getting all the stories the data knows we will click on and be attracted to and it reinforces our beliefs.

 

[Rascal]

Interesting video, it just confirmed what i already thought.

As you get older people are supposed to become more conservative, not me i have gone further leftwards, probably as a result of the reading i do and media i consume. Peter Oborne's books "The Fate of Abraham" and "The assault on truth" have been two superb books i have read of late and of course Orwell has been a constant in my life. Just about to start EP Thompsons "the making of the English working class" he was heavily influenced by Marx.

The thing is i dont just read left wing books, i have read Alan Clarks history of the Tory party and Roger Scrutons "arguments for conservatism" and found they both reinforced why i sit on the left of politics.