Has the BBC become a Tory tool?

[Coatigan]

Are you literally incapable of seeing anything past club rivalries?

It really does feel like some of you would turn down an organ transplant if you found out the donor supported any of the 20-30 clubs on the forum's shit list.

Doubt it is to do with club rivalries there.

 

[Dubai Blue]

The comparison was a poor one imo. Regardless of his or your or anyones dislike of this government, their language isn't the same as the hate and bile spewed by the nazi government. Comparing the too surely leads to belittling the evil that occurred in 1930s Germany. I do have an issue with that.

Its all too easy to throw insults and make comparisons like this these days and i think those that do don't fully understand what occurred back then. It trivialises an awful nadir in European history.

But, clearly, he wasn't referencing the "awful nadir" part. He was referring to the language used in the period that eventually led to that awful nadir. That's why he specifically used the word "language".

 

[simmo]

Reminds me of that interview with John Motson and Brian Clough.

Show more of the football on a Saturday night and less of the talking and analysing - B.Clough.

He was right.

 

[urban genie]

The last leg as always discussed the weeks hot topics and after the bit on Garys comments this happened



as Adam Hills says may be a random message but straight after defending Lineker probably not

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

The comparison was a poor one imo. Regardless of his or your or anyones dislike of this government, their language isn't the same as the hate and bile spewed by the nazi government. Comparing the too surely leads to belittling the evil that occurred in 1930s Germany. I do have an issue with that.

Its all too easy to throw insults and make comparisons like this these days and i think those that do don't fully understand what occurred back then. It trivialises an awful nadir in European history.

But, clearly, he wasn't referencing the "awful nadir" part. He was referring to the language used in the period that eventually led to that awful nadir. That's why he specifically used the word "language".

Entirely agree with @Churchlawtonblue and his call on this one. With respect, @Dubai Blue, your distinction is a specious one. The Nazis were about language. Hitler, supremely, was about language, and everybody who actually witnessed him speaking, — see William Shirer's classic account in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, although much good work has been done since then — including those who were thoroughly hostile to his world outlook, agreed that he had a hypnotic power to get people to do things. They even had a written, canonical text to “justify” and incite the brownshirts to beating up rabbis in the streets: Mein Kampf. Dachau was built and opened as early as 1933, although it wasn't specifically a destination for Jews to be exterminated at that point. But there was no need to wait till 1939 for Hitler's theories to take effect.
For what it's worth, I think Lineker's talking complete bollocks here. But I defend his right to talk bollocks. A lot of bollocks is talked, especially on Twitter, as far as I can make out. He posted something on Twitter as a private citizen. Not as a representative of an organisation, nor using the platforms of that organisation. Hundreds of people work for the BBC. Are they all to be gagged as private citizens, with a right to expression?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The last leg as always discussed the weeks hot topics and after the bit on Garys comments this happened



as Adam Hills says may be a random message but straight after defending Lineker probably not

How much hate do you have inside you to post something like that?

Thats what the governments language stirs up.

 

[franksinatra]

I think Lineker will be a massive miss to the show and I think 6 months down the line people will realise that.

 

[Coatigan]

Doesn't matter what I'm happy with. GL signed a contract. He's breached it.

If he quits the BBC he can say whatever he likes. It's quite simple really.

Except that is an assumption. May or may not be true (his camp claim it is not) but even if it were, the question of whether it is right or not remains and will continue to draw scrutiny on the BBC while other presenters continue to do the same. Besides, the only people that have associated GL's comments as 'representing' the BBC are ironically the government and the BBC on behalf of the government.

 

[Blue Mist]

I know one of them and they get told by the pundits which bits to include. These guys (freelancers) are otherwise used to providing highlights packages in real time - athletics, Wimbledon etc. I expect they'll be genuinely whizzing through the footage for interesting bits rather than pushing any agenda so may be better.

That's interesting because I always thought it was the other way round. I'm sure the pundits haven't watched a match and are just talking about highlights fed to them 30 minutes before the programme.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Brilliant. Now the government are saying it’s between the BBC and Lineker. Have we not seen all these Cabinet members exerting pressure on the BBC?

Must be seeing things.