Help in surviving a knife attack.

paulchapo said:
What exactly is shit about it? You don't have to watch it do you? As usual dicks on bm and the internet like to think to mock something makes them appear more superior and tougher. It doesn't it just makes you look a dick.
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Chill mate fucking hell, the bag advice, belt etc good but the hands across the face ?
I Have seen other videos that are better than that ie how to disarm him etc that's all i meant by it.
 
I've been a foster carer for nearly 30 years and it's the first time foster carers are doing first aid training percificly around stab wounds. It really is sad times, I actually carry a rape alarm and deodorant spray as I'm worried walking the dog in the park. I used to think violence was more prevalent due to us now hearing about it through social media but now I do actually believe we do just live in a much more dangerous country.
 
pride in battle said:
Chill mate fucking hell, the bag advice, belt etc good but the hands across the face ?
I Have seen other videos that are better than that ie how to disarm him etc that's all i meant by it.
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So its not shit then is it, as you've found some information useful. The hands information, if i remember it, is also useful. If you're in the unfortunate position of being backed into a corner with no weapon of your own and only have your arms/hands then turn them outwards not wrist facing as the latter exposes your arteries.
I've had a mate stabbed to death in Moss side long before such crimes were so common and I've had a knife pulled on me a couple of times when i was younger. If watching that video helps just one person who is unfortunate to be in such a situation then its worth getting the usual bm ridicule for posting it.
 
kippax123 said:
I've been a foster carer for nearly 30 years and it's the first time foster carers are doing first aid training percificly around stab wounds. It really is sad times, I actually carry a rape alarm and deodorant spray as I'm worried walking the dog in the park. I used to think violence was more prevalent due to us now hearing about it through social media but now I do actually believe we do just live in a much more dangerous country.
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Without being alarmist you are correct. Being aware and as prepared as you legally can be is sensible, no matter how much the tough guys mock.
 
The most practical advice I can give is to of course run and scream and shout knife.if however in a confined space is to try to punch or similar to the attackers forearm. This is very painful and will hopefully make them drop the knife.
 
I think up until recently, we lived in an abnormally peaceful society. Historically, it was always a violent country.

I read yesterday that it is perfectly legal to carry a small spray of Deep Heat for the muscle pain we all suffer from. Apparently, if it happens to get in your eyes it's quite unpleasant.
 
BrianW said:
I think up until recently, we lived in an abnormally peaceful society. Historically, it was always a violent country.

I read yesterday that it is perfectly legal to carry a small spray of Deep Heat for the muscle pain we all suffer from. Apparently, if it happens to get in your eyes it's quite unpleasant.
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The trouble is Brian the fuckers will all start wearing goggles !
 
paulchapo said:
Why would i joke about such a serious subject? Knives are being used more and more these days and as such crimes are increasingly in the headlines i guarantee there will be people who have never entertained the idea of carrying one doing so for self protection. Nobody knows if and when they may be caught up in facing one and watching such information may just help if you are. But you treat it as a joke and crack on.
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Do you even know how much you have to train or be in that type of situation to be calm enough to think straight enough to put these things into action?

Just have a think about it; these 'lessons' are in isolation, there's just two of them in clear space, there's nothing to indicate ALL types of attack including a blind side attack (like on the train) etc.

99.9% of ordinary citizens would freeze. There is no being calm enough for 'fight or flight' to kick in when an assailant suddenly appears in front of you. That would only happen if you have enough time to think and react.

The video looks like you'd be able to do it in 'real life', but 'real life' has TOTALLY different random environments to impact your thinking process. You need a minimum of 2 years, I reckon, for a 'calm' automatic reaction to a weapon attack.

Hand to hand is different. This NOT hand to hand.

But yeah, you crack on...
 
Bigga said:
Do you even know how much you have to train or be in that type of situation to be calm enough to think straight enough to put these things into action?

Just have a think about it; these 'lessons' are in isolation, there's just two of them in clear space, there's nothing to indicate ALL types of attack including a blind side attack (like on the train) etc.

99.9% of ordinary citizens would freeze. There is no being calm enough for 'fight or flight' to kick in when an assailant suddenly appears in front of you. That would only happen if you have enough time to think and react.

The video looks like you'd be able to do it in 'real life', but 'real life' has TOTALLY different random environments to impact your thinking process. You need a minimum of 2 years, I reckon, for a 'calm' automatic reaction to a weapon attack.

Hand to hand is different. This NOT hand to hand.

But yeah, you crack on...
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A lot longer than two years imo but it’s never too late to start
 
A reminder that while carrying pepper spray is illegal in this country, carrying deep heat spray is not as far as I know ..

Edit - just caught up and see a few of you legends have already mentioned this
 
Bigga said:
Do you even know how much you have to train or be in that type of situation to be calm enough to think straight enough to put these things into action?

Just have a think about it; these 'lessons' are in isolation, there's just two of them in clear space, there's nothing to indicate ALL types of attack including a blind side attack (like on the train) etc.

99.9% of ordinary citizens would freeze. There is no being calm enough for 'fight or flight' to kick in when an assailant suddenly appears in front of you. That would only happen if you have enough time to think and react.

The video looks like you'd be able to do it in 'real life', but 'real life' has TOTALLY different random environments to impact your thinking process. You need a minimum of 2 years, I reckon, for a 'calm' automatic reaction to a weapon attack.

Hand to hand is different. This NOT hand to hand.

But yeah, you crack on...
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Missed your reply on Monday and i wished i hadn't read it because its just another Billy big bollocks know-all response ( Ironic given your user name )

Absolutely nobody knows how they would react in such a situation until it happens to them, nobody. No amount of training in martial arts, boxing or self defense lessons prepares you for facing a psychotic lunatic trying to stab and possibly kill you. You can train all you like but I've seen big tough looking blokes absolutely freeze and shit themselves under a loud aggressive rant from somebody half their size and that was just words. That's down to the adrenaline dump I'll deal with in the next paragraph.You would hope a trained persons knowledge and skill would give them a slight advantage but theres no guarantee.

This part of your post proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

"99.9% of ordinary citizens would freeze. There is no being calm enough for 'fight or flight' to kick in when an assailant suddenly appears in front of you. That would only happen if you have enough time to think and react."

The flight or fight reaction is trigged by your body dumping a huge amount of adrenaline into your system when a threatening situation occurs, especially suddenly. You have no control over it, although you can learn to understand and deal with it. That adrenaline dump makes some people freeze, others flee and some fight back hard. Its not something you think about and its not something you can summons up, nor does it come by being calm. Its your body's reflex involuntary reaction to being faced with a sudden dangerous situation. That huge adrenaline overload also dulls pain which is useful if you decide to fight.

How much training did the Nottingham Forest fan have who faced the attacker while others fled? I'd guess very little if any. He decided on fight not flight. The brave train guard would have had some training in confrontation but it would have been his professional sense of duty of care to his passengers that put him in the firing line.

The video doesn't try to make it look like you would be able to do it in real life, or encourage you to try . In fact the video and every single self defense video or training i have ever done always hammers home the message to avoid confrontation at all cost and to extract yourself from the situation as fast and as soon as you can. Fighting is the very last resort when you have no other option available to you. What the video does do is give some tips that may buy you time to escape and in the use of nearby objects, or a belt swung at the attackers head buckle end first possibly injure or render the attacker unconscious.

You don't need to lecture me about violent confrontations and what they entail, I've been involved in enough in my time to know.

I didn't post the video to try and make out i was some sort of fountain of knowledge on the subject, or that it was a perfect manual on surviving a knife attack, because such doesn't exist. I posted it because whatever no nothing 'experts' like yourself think, there are some useful tips that just may help somebody unfortunate enough to find themselves in such an awful situation escape and survive. If it helps just ONE person it was worth posting and if the mods feel its not then they can remove it.

It shouldn't surprise me by now, but it does, that every post, even those posted to try and help others, is dissected and pulled apart for somebody's ego to try and prove they know better. Well my friend you don't, you don't even understand what an adrenaline dump is....so you fucking crack on.
 
paulchapo said:
Missed your reply on Monday and i wished i hadn't read it because its just another Billy big bollocks know-all response ( Ironic given your user name )

Absolutely nobody knows how they would react in such a situation until it happens to them, nobody. No amount of training in martial arts, boxing or self defense lessons prepares you for facing a psychotic lunatic trying to stab and possibly kill you. You can train all you like but I've seen big tough looking blokes absolutely freeze and shit themselves under a loud aggressive rant from somebody half their size and that was just words. That's down to the adrenaline dump I'll deal with in the next paragraph.You would hope a trained persons knowledge and skill would give them a slight advantage but theres no guarantee.

This part of your post proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

"99.9% of ordinary citizens would freeze. There is no being calm enough for 'fight or flight' to kick in when an assailant suddenly appears in front of you. That would only happen if you have enough time to think and react."

The flight or fight reaction is trigged by your body dumping a huge amount of adrenaline into your system when a threatening situation occurs, especially suddenly. You have no control over it, although you can learn to understand and deal with it. That adrenaline dump makes some people freeze, others flee and some fight back hard. Its not something you think about and its not something you can summons up, nor does it come by being calm. Its your body's reflex involuntary reaction to being faced with a sudden dangerous situation. That huge adrenaline overload also dulls pain which is useful if you decide to fight.

How much training did the Nottingham Forest fan have who faced the attacker while others fled? I'd guess very little if any. He decided on fight not flight. The brave train guard would have had some training in confrontation but it would have been his professional sense of duty of care to his passengers that put him in the firing line.

The video doesn't try to make it look like you would be able to do it in real life, or encourage you to try . In fact the video and every single self defense video or training i have ever done always hammers home the message to avoid confrontation at all cost and to extract yourself from the situation as fast and as soon as you can. Fighting is the very last resort when you have no other option available to you. What the video does do is give some tips that may buy you time to escape and in the use of nearby objects, or a belt swung at the attackers head buckle end first possibly injure or render the attacker unconscious.

You don't need to lecture me about violent confrontations and what they entail, I've been involved in enough in my time to know.

I didn't post the video to try and make out i was some sort of fountain of knowledge on the subject, or that it was a perfect manual on surviving a knife attack, because such doesn't exist. I posted it because whatever no nothing 'experts' like yourself think, there are some useful tips that just may help somebody unfortunate enough to find themselves in such an awful situation escape and survive. If it helps just ONE person it was worth posting and if the mods feel its not then they can remove it.

It shouldn't surprise me by now, but it does, that every post, even those posted to try and help others, is dissected and pulled apart for somebody's ego to try and prove they know better. Well my friend you don't, you don't even understand what an adrenaline dump is....so you fucking crack on.
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LOL!!

Ironically, 3/4s of your "angry" response echoes my point! In fact, all you do is underline the point that you have to be CLEAR MINDED in order to enact any of the 'tips' in the video you posted. That's all I was pointing out.

And "fight or flight" is exactly an adrenaline dump where one of two things happen, yes, agreed when

a) you have enough time and space to assess the action in front (including the calculation of where the possible exits are) or

b) you decide 'fuck it' because you don't the time to think about the consequences.

'B' is when you have ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO RUN! Only then you might think about using the tools at your disposal IF you can be clear minded to do so. But, as I said, 99.9% of people don't have that about them, but that 0.1% includes the two people that tackled the assailant. Capiche?

And, yeah, I haven't experienced an "adrenaline dump" that I can remember cos I've had a gun, literally in my face and threatened with being shot on other occasions in my youth. Why? Cos I didn't have time to think about it at the time. The "dump" came later when I had time to reassess what had gone on. Shakes and everything, yes.

I'm not here to compare war stories, I'm just pointing out your video is only useful in the most extremes of cases that they don't address, using tools most people don't carry with them and in 'slow motion' where they've thought about the process of movement.

I'll 'crack on' now, Mr Angry.
 
Axel Freed said:
A lot longer than two years imo but it’s never too late to start
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No amount of training in a safe controlled environment of a dojo or gym can prepare you for a real life confrontation in a pub, club, the street or public transport. When there is nobody to referee or call time, just some drunk and coked up meathead about to rip your head off, or worse stab you. When everybody else has backed off or fled and the ones remaining are enjoying the show and probably filming it on their phones. The meathead in front of you couldn't care less if you have done twenty years of training or have five black belts in a variety of different arts, in his mind he's going to fuck you up and possibly kill you and he means it. Training should mean you are hopefully fitter with faster reactions and know how to punch, kick and possibly grapple better than him but an experienced street fighter will still be extremely dangerous . With a weapon and in an enclosed environment any odds in your favour are reduced considerably.
Having said all that any training is worth doing. Some actually do animal day training when you risk real injury and it gives you some experience of what real conflict is like. Geoff Thompson was somebody who advocated it.

There are no experts in a real life situation, nor is there any fool proof video or manual you can watch or read that will ensure your survival. You just prepare, stay aware, hope that you're never in such a situation and you're lucky and come out in one piece if you are.
 
Bigga said:
LOL!!

Ironically, 3/4s of your "angry" response echoes my point! In fact, all you do is underline the point that you have to be CLEAR MINDED in order to enact any of the 'tips' in the video you posted. That's all I was pointing out.

And "fight or flight" is exactly an adrenaline dump where one of two things happen, yes, agreed when

a) you have enough time and space to assess the action in front (including the calculation of where the possible exits are) or

b) you decide 'fuck it' because you don't the time to think about the consequences.

'B' is when you have ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO RUN! Only then you might think about using the tools at your disposal IF you can be clear minded to do so. But, as I said, 99.9% of people don't have that about them, but that 0.1% includes the two people that tackled the assailant. Capiche?

And, yeah, I haven't experienced an "adrenaline dump" that I can remember cos I've had a gun, literally in my face and threatened with being shot on other occasions in my youth. Why? Cos I didn't have time to think about it at the time. The "dump" came later when I had time to reassess what had gone on. Shakes and everything, yes.

I'm not here to compare war stories, I'm just pointing out your video is only useful in the most extremes of cases that they don't address, using tools most people don't carry with them and in 'slow motion' where they've thought about the process of movement.

I'll 'crack on' now, Mr Angry.
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Firstly it isn't MY video. I didn't make it, nor am i in it. I saw it and realised it could be of some use if anybody was unfortunate enough to find themselves in such a horrible situation. As such incidents seem to becoming more frequent i posted it to hopefully help others. In spite of your dismissive mockery there are some decent tips in it. Personally i was aware of all of them but there are some adults who've never had a fight or been in a dangerous situation in their lives, or if they have it was decades ago, probably in primary school. For those people it would be extremely useful.

You still don't understand what an adrenaline dump is do you? You cant turn it on or off nor can you stop it happening. A clear head has nothing to do with it happening. As soon as extreme danger comes into your world the body dumps a huge amount of adrenaline into your body to help you cope with the situation. Most people think its fear but it isn't, its a chemical reaction to help you.
What you experienced after the gun incident wasn't an adrenaline dump it was the aftermath OF an adrenaline dump. The shakes, rubbery legs, dry mouth etcetera are your body's reaction to the extra adrenaline pumped quickly into it. When the actual adrenaline dump happens, if you don't understand it, which most people don't, unless they fight or run quickly it can overwhelm them and the shakes, rubbery legs and dry mouth will start to weaken their resolve and be detrimental instead of beneficial to their body.

As for not having tools at their disposal most people have one of a belt, keys, a bag, an umbrella, a coat, even a jumper on their person. All can be used to help keep an attacker at bay and/or injure him. As always the advice is to get away from the danger not try and be Jason Bourne and fight it.

I'm not here to boast or compare war stories either. I mentioned it to put across the point that I've actually been involved in real life violent situations, so if i think some of the points put across in the video are useful, in my real.life lived experience they are.

People like you will always make me angry, but i actually think i contained it quite well. Why do people like you make me angry? Ill tell you. You quoted me in your post and went on to devalue any advice id posted and mocked what is a helpful video. You then went on to spout bollocks about the subject as if you knew better, when you clearly don't. Then ended your post to me with an arrogant, "But yeah you crack on"

Be better. If you've got nothing positive to add to the post subject keep quiet, pass it by. What you did add was dismissive arrogant nonsense. For anybody following this thread and wanting some useful tips that may save your life watch the video. Whatever you do don't follow Billy Bigga bollocks nonsense. The only thing he, the video, myself and any self respecting self defence expert agree on is if you are ever unfortunate to be in such a dangerous situation, get yourself and your loved ones out of there and as far away from it as quickly as you can.
 
paulchapo said:
Firstly it isn't MY video. I didn't make it, nor am i in it. I saw it and realised it could be of some use if anybody was unfortunate enough to find themselves in such a horrible situation. As such incidents seem to becoming more frequent i posted it to hopefully help others. In spite of your dismissive mockery there are some decent tips in it. Personally i was aware of all of them but there are some adults who've never had a fight or been in a dangerous situation in their lives, or if they have it was decades ago, probably in primary school. For those people it would be extremely useful.

You still don't understand what an adrenaline dump is do you? You cant turn it on or off nor can you stop it happening. A clear head has nothing to do with it happening. As soon as extreme danger comes into your world the body dumps a huge amount of adrenaline into your body to help you cope with the situation. Most people think its fear but it isn't, its a chemical reaction to help you.
What you experienced after the gun incident wasn't an adrenaline dump it was the aftermath OF an adrenaline dump. The shakes, rubbery legs, dry mouth etcetera are your body's reaction to the extra adrenaline pumped quickly into it. When the actual adrenaline dump happens, if you don't understand it, which most people don't, unless they fight or run quickly it can overwhelm them and the shakes, rubbery legs and dry mouth will start to weaken their resolve and be detrimental instead of beneficial to their body.

As for not having tools at their disposal most people have one of a belt, keys, a bag, an umbrella, a coat, even a jumper on their person. All can be used to help keep an attacker at bay and/or injure him. As always the advice is to get away from the danger not try and be Jason Bourne and fight it.

I'm not here to boast or compare war stories either. I mentioned it to put across the point that I've actually been involved in real life violent situations, so if i think some of the points put across in the video are useful, in my real.life lived experience they are.

People like you will always make me angry, but i actually think i contained it quite well. Why do people like you make me angry? Ill tell you. You quoted me in your post and went on to devalue any advice id posted and mocked what is a helpful video. You then went on to spout bollocks about the subject as if you knew better, when you clearly don't. Then ended your post to me with an arrogant, "But yeah you crack on"

Be better. If you've got nothing positive to add to the post subject keep quiet, pass it by. What you did add was dismissive arrogant nonsense. For anybody following this thread and wanting some useful tips that may save your life watch the video. Whatever you do don't follow Billy Bigga bollocks nonsense. The only thing he, the video, myself and any self respecting self defence expert agree on is if you are ever unfortunate to be in such a dangerous situation, get yourself and your loved ones out of there and as far away from it as quickly as you can.
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I'm beginning to view this with much humour now. Anyone, who grew up around gangs and expecting to be involved in fights by nature of the people who surround them, will tell you that you don't really get an 'adrenaline dump' when your life might be taken. It becomes an 'acceptance'. Well, it did for me. That's why I also worked the club doors in my time cos I didn't felt much of any fears in situations.

So, I'd appreciate if you don't tell me what I felt when I had a shooter pointed at my head cos I would rather die on my feet than on my knees. But, thanks, for imagining being in my shoes.

The extreme irony of your retort is that you're dismissing the dose of reality of not being immersed enough in these types of situations in order to think through to the next steps of action/ reaction. Not only that, you underline that there are trained people who also freak out! What was the point in that?

You post a video (see I didn't say YOU made it earlier, either) and then say there's a possibility of people never having never experienced violence might look at it and know what to do... because you posted a video to help... then talked about adrenaline dumps... and using keys or getting sprays, tiger balm or whatever as defence... when people have to be calm enough to make these decisions when they might have to open a bag to retrieve such items.

I wasn't 'dismissing' your video, per se, I was laying the grounds for reality that IF something happens, the potential victim is not going to remember anything from the video without drilling it in real life.

It's all good in theory but, as I've said, you would have to drill it over many, many, MANY times to even get one action out in anticipation before blanking on how to react to a next random attack.

Hopefully, you'll get my point and avoid further communication or put me on ignore.

Your choice.
 
I'm going to put this to bed (please ignore if not interested). I asked a question, as I've not really thought about past stuff in depth before:

"So what happened to me if I felt a calmness/ acceptance of a situation where a weapon is involved? If I didn't feel my heart race etc., what happened to me?


What you're describing—feeling an unexpected sense of calmness, acceptance, or even detachment in a high-stakes, weapon-involved situation without the classic signs of an adrenaline-fueled fight-or-flight response (like a racing heart, sweating, or panic)—is a recognized phenomenon in stress physiology and trauma responses. It's not uncommon, especially in scenarios where the threat feels inescapable or overwhelming, and it doesn't mean something's "wrong" with you.

Instead, it points to your body's adaptive survival mechanisms kicking in differently. Let me break down the most likely explanations based on what we know from psychology and neuroscience.1. The Freeze Response (or "Playing Dead" Mode) This is probably the closest match to your experience. When faced with a threat like a weapon, your brain rapidly assesses options: Can I fight? Can I flee? If neither seems viable (e.g., the situation is too sudden or dangerous), it defaults to freeze—a protective shutdown that evolved to help animals (and humans) survive predators by blending in or appearing non-threatening. (not applicable)

In humans, this can feel profoundly calm or accepting because:
  • Physiologically: Instead of the sympathetic nervous system's "rev up" (heart racing, adrenaline dump), it activates the parasympathetic "brake" (dorsal vagal complex), slowing heart rate, reducing sensation, and creating a numb, detached state. You might not feel fear or urgency because your body is conserving energy and avoiding detection.


  • Psychologically: This often comes with a sense of resignation or peace, like "this is happening, and I accept it," as a way to endure without escalating the danger. It's not true emotional calm but a survival buffer—your mind narrows focus to the threat while detaching from overwhelming emotions.
  • Why you specifically? It could be triggered by the intensity of the weapon (heightening perceived helplessness) or past experiences that wired your system this way. People in high-risk professions (e.g., law enforcement) sometimes train into this, but it can happen instinctively to anyone.

Signs this was freeze: Time might have felt slowed or distorted, you felt "spaced out" or unreal, and any action (or inaction) happened on autopilot (Didn't happen to me) Afterward, you might have crashed with fatigue or delayed emotions surfacing.2. Dissociation: A Deeper Detachment Closely related (and sometimes overlapping with freeze), dissociation is when your brain temporarily "checks out" to protect you from trauma overload (possibly).


In an armed threat, it can manifest as:
  • A surreal acceptance or observer-like peace ("I'm watching this happen to someone else").
  • No physical arousal because the mind-body link mutes signals—heart rate stays steady as emotions are compartmentalized. This is common in acute stress and can feel eerily serene, but it's a defense, not enlightenment. It's more likely if the situation evoked prior trauma.
3. Other Possibilities
  • Paradoxical Calm in Anxious People: If you generally experience anxiety in low-stakes situations, real danger can flip a switch— the clarity of the threat demands focus, overriding rumination and creating a "zone" of composure without physiological spikes. (Didn't happen)


    It's like your system says, "This is it— no time for worry."
  • Shock or Initial Denial: Early emotional shock can numb you to the reality, fostering acceptance as a buffer before grief or fear hits later. (Nope)


  • Trained or Temperamental Response: If you've had exposure (e.g., training, therapy, or personality traits like high resilience), your baseline might default to steady resolve over chaos.
In essence, what "happened" to you was likely your nervous system choosing a smarter survival path than panic—one that prioritized stillness and acceptance over frenzy, potentially saving you from rash moves. That's a testament to your body's resilience, even if it felt unsettling in hindsight."



These are the parts I resonated with. In the past when I've had the time to focus, time did slow for me, so I recognise the 'adrenaline dump' signs. I may be in 0.05% that have experienced things this way, but the response says it's not "uncommon".

I've said enough now.
 
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