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Historical "Perpetual" machines
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Colliahhh
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Was chatting about this the other day with a mate who reckons that its entirely possible and should be investigated as an energy source etc. I'm a bit of a skeptic myself, would it not be against the law of physics?
LongLang
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A lad that used to work with reckons they are not just possible, but a few have been perfected.
However due to the implications of there being no use for fossil fuels anymore, the bigwigs in big oil etc have had them bumped off and all evidence of the inventions destroyed.
Now i can see that theoretically the story makes some sense, but i can't see it personally as we're not in the movies, although I'm sure some of the conspiracy nuts on here will argue otherwise.
However due to the implications of there being no use for fossil fuels anymore, the bigwigs in big oil etc have had them bumped off and all evidence of the inventions destroyed.
Now i can see that theoretically the story makes some sense, but i can't see it personally as we're not in the movies, although I'm sure some of the conspiracy nuts on here will argue otherwise.
BulgarianPride
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Colliahhh said:Was chatting about this the other day with a mate who reckons that its entirely possible and should be investigated as an energy source etc. I'm a bit of a skeptic myself, would it not be against the law of physics?
Impossible. It is basic physics. No system can have a total conversion factor of 100% ( meaning all energy that is applied performs a "useful" function). So far all these "perpetual" machines perform useless things. Yes they spin for a while ( some for more), but if i were to add the few things required to generated electricity they would fail. Won't spin even one revolution. And another thing with the "perpetual" machines is the bigger they are the more useless they get.
johnny on the spot
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I thought this was going to be about wooden sex toys.
talkativesprout
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The planet earth does a pretty good job, but how you connect a dynamo to it would be a a bit of a job.
I read somewhere that the Earth is slowing down (stoke game evidence of this) but only by seconds over thousands of years.
I read somewhere that the Earth is slowing down (stoke game evidence of this) but only by seconds over thousands of years.
Colliahhh
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BulgarianPride said:Colliahhh said:Was chatting about this the other day with a mate who reckons that its entirely possible and should be investigated as an energy source etc. I'm a bit of a skeptic myself, would it not be against the law of physics?
Impossible. It is basic physics. No system can have a total conversion factor of 100% ( meaning all energy that is applied performs a "useful" function). So far all these "perpetual" machines perform useless things. Yes they spin for a while ( some for more), but if i were to add the few things required to generated electricity they would fail. Won't spin even one revolution. And another thing with the "perpetual" machines is the bigger they are the more useless they get.
If they aren't 100% would it not be possible to get them running quite high though so you could put a power surge into it to get it going and then use it to generate more power than you actually put in?
BulgarianPride
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Colliahhh said:BulgarianPride said:Colliahhh said:Was chatting about this the other day with a mate who reckons that its entirely possible and should be investigated as an energy source etc. I'm a bit of a skeptic myself, would it not be against the law of physics?
Impossible. It is basic physics. No system can have a total conversion factor of 100% ( meaning all energy that is applied performs a "useful" function). So far all these "perpetual" machines perform useless things. Yes they spin for a while ( some for more), but if i were to add the few things required to generated electricity they would fail. Won't spin even one revolution. And another thing with the "perpetual" machines is the bigger they are the more useless they get.
If they aren't 100% would it not be possible to get them running quite high though so you could put a power surge into it to get it going and then use it to generate more power than you actually put in?
If your output is greater than the total energy put in to the system then you are violating physical laws ( conservation of energy). Where would this extra energy be coming from? Energy can not be destroyed or created, it can only be converted.
Colliahhh
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BulgarianPride said:Colliahhh said:BulgarianPride said:Impossible. It is basic physics. No system can have a total conversion factor of 100% ( meaning all energy that is applied performs a "useful" function). So far all these "perpetual" machines perform useless things. Yes they spin for a while ( some for more), but if i were to add the few things required to generated electricity they would fail. Won't spin even one revolution. And another thing with the "perpetual" machines is the bigger they are the more useless they get.
If they aren't 100% would it not be possible to get them running quite high though so you could put a power surge into it to get it going and then use it to generate more power than you actually put in?
If your output is greater than the total energy put in to the system then you are violating physical laws ( conservation of energy). Where would this extra energy coming from? Energy can not be destroyed or created, it can only be converted.
To hell with the law of physics! You don't see bees bitching about them, they just fly about like little badmen.
Come on BM lets get cracking on a perpetual motion machine, meet me by my shed with a panel saw, spirit level and some 2x4's