Homophobia in football

[No.8]

I hope you shared this viewpoint in the Poppy thread.

Not really the same thing but thanks for the input

 

[.db.]

Just saw this:



Religion is so messed up. You can be openly homophobic if you want as long as you hide behind “religious reasons”.

Religion is fucking stupid, but it’s not homophobic to not wear that armband. Just a choice that he’s free to make.

I wouldn’t wear one because I don’t like outside gimmicks being forced into football. I don’t think there should be poppies on shirts, rainbow flag games. And, like Wilfred Zaha, I wouldn’t kneel down for the racism gimmick because it achieves absolutely nowt.

Fans and players are there for the football, nothing more nothing less.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Maybe it's because there are some guys on the team who refuse to do perform a simple gesture like wear a rainbow armband and a bunch of fans who apparently "believe" being gay is morally wrong, e.g. this thread.

The answer, perhaps unintentionally, is in your response.

“Perform”

That’s what it is…performative virtue signaling.

I could not care less what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom or home or car or wherever they choose to express their love. However, forced, performative shows of “support” look, feel, and are strained beyond belief.

I work with a large number of members of the gay community. Doesn’t bother me a bit until it’s so “in your face” that it feels performative and purposely in your face. But, I also fully embrace the freedom to be oneself, within reason in the professional workplace.

As for the dressing room, I’d venture NO-ONE could care less, but the media scrutiny and non-stories that would come out of the woodwork are simply a sideshow that no-one craves.

Sadly, the “lad culture” that follows the men’s game is the problem. Indeed, one is often surprised when a professional female footballer marries a guy instead of another girl…yet no-one seems to care about lesbian footballers!

It’s not being gay that is the problem, it’s “real men’s” attitude towards it! That only serves to pollute the freedom to which we should all aspire for everyone.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Not really the same thing but thanks for the input

Freedom to be oneself should be universal, no?

 

[No.8]

Freedom to be oneself should be universal, no?

Respecting those who gave their life’s for your freedoms should be respected by all, No?

Anyway that’s for another thread ….

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

I work with a large number of members of the gay community

Not even sure that there is a gay “community” actually. I've known gay people who wouldn't go on a pride march. Not because they're not “out”, just because they dislike being in crowds of any kind, and they dislike the performative aspect of “marches”, whether for this, that or the other. I've also known gay people who loathe the singles bar scene. The point is that gay people I've known have been all sorts of stripes. They just happen to have a different sexuality to me.
Agree with your post, by the way.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Respecting those who gave their life’s for your freedoms should be respected by all, No?

Anyway that’s for another thread ….

Donald Trump thinks veterans are "suckers and losers" and he's the putative leader of the free world.

 

[mexico1970]

Donald Trump thinks it's for "suckers and losers" and he's the putative leader of the free world.

Most people have their own opinions, just because some famous people have weird views attributing those values to other people is stupid it's lazy and trying to shame people into thinking the way you think.

As for Trump, he's the president of the good ol' USofA.

 

[youngbob]

Instead of these empty gestures I think we should be questioning why , as we approach the year 2025, there are still next to no openly gay footballers. We should be questioning why they are afraid to be open about their sexuality. That is the scandal here and not someone refusing to wear an armband

You're so close.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

That’s what it is…performative virtue signaling.

I feel the same way about those who talk about owning handguns.

I could not care less what someone does in the privacy of the gun range or home or car or wherever they choose to carry their weapon. However, forced, performative shows of “support” look, feel, and are strained beyond belief.

I work with a large number of people who own guns. Doesn’t bother me a bit until it’s so “in your face” that it feels performative and purposely in your face. But, I also fully embrace the freedom to own a gun, within reason outside the professional workplace.

 

[.db.]

The answer, perhaps unintentionally, is in your response.

“Perform”

That’s what it is…performative virtue signaling.

I could not care less what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom or home or car or wherever they choose to express their love. However, forced, performative shows of “support” look, feel, and are strained beyond belief.

I work with a large number of members of the gay community. Doesn’t bother me a bit until it’s so “in your face” that it feels performative and purposely in your face. But, I also fully embrace the freedom to be oneself, within reason in the professional workplace.

As for the dressing room, I’d venture NO-ONE could care less, but the media scrutiny and non-stories that would come out of the woodwork are simply a sideshow that no-one craves.

Sadly, the “lad culture” that follows the men’s game is the problem. Indeed, one is often surprised when a professional female footballer marries a guy instead of another girl…yet no-one seems to care about lesbian footballers!

It’s not being gay that is the problem, it’s “real men’s” attitude towards it! That only serves to pollute the freedom to which we should all aspire for everyone.

My group of mates is very 00s ‘lad culture’, un-PC. Yet if one of our mates came out gay, I don’t think any of us would bat an eyelid. What someone likes sexually has nowt to do with anyone else. Unless the lad he was shagging was a fat ugly ****, then we’d then take the piss out of him for having shit taste in men like we would any of the lads who shag a female fifteen-pinter.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Fans and players are there for the football, nothing more nothing less.

Kind of odd given the number of fans who are so pissed they can't walk and there to hurl abuse at the shite performance of their stars, and the players who are there to get paid.

 

[Barcon]

I don't give a shit that someone doesn't want to wear an armband but anyone that allows their life to be ruled by religion is a simpleton.

 

[.db.]

Kind of odd given the number of fans who are so pissed they can't walk and there to hurl abuse at the shite performance of their stars, and the players who are there to get paid.

Well, yes, there is that. Sometimes the match gets in the way of the piss up!

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Most people have their own opinions, just because some famous people have weird views attributing those values to other people is stupid it's lazy and trying to shame people into thinking the way you think.

As for Trump, he's the president of the good ol' USofA.

Errr, did I attribute his views to anyone else or try to shame anyone?

Also he isn't President (and could keel over at any moment).

But, yeah -- good post, chief. Fucking rabbit ears.

 

[mexico1970]

Errr, did I attribute his views to anyone else or try to shame anyone?

Also he isn't President (and could keel over at any moment).

But, yeah -- good post, chief. Fucking rabbit ears.

You'd shoehorn Trump into any thread, keep your yankisms out of football and concentrate on your own fucked up problems sunshine.

 

[CheshireExpat]

I could not care less what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom or home or car or wherever they choose to express their love.

What about in a lay-by on the B5159? Not for any particular reason or anything...

 

[ChicagoBlue]

What about in a lay-by on the B5159? Not for any particular reason or anything...

;-D

There are a million places I wouldn’t want to get caught having sex…and that’s probably one of them…unless we invited “spectators!”

 

[mexico1970]

What about in a lay-by on the B5159? Not for any particular reason or anything...

That's a very specific location mate :)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Absolutely -- shame on those players who visit sick kids in the hospital and volunteer at soup kitchens and give money to charity while team's PR department writes stories and snaps photos for the web page. Why aren't they training all the time?

Are you being deliberately stupid? I'm not sure the entire 1st team plus subs are expected to participate in those and there certainly would be no issue with anyone being absent. The rainbow laces/taking a knee bollocks is compelled performative nonsense.