How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Churchlawtonblue]

I wasn't talking about wealth but thanks for straw-manning something to 11.

You're smug, unreasonably so. It's betrayed your position.

Stop pretending not to be a brbrexiteer.

lol, that wasnt your finest moment was it Kobay. Sorry to bring it up ;-)

Where did I ever pretend I voted one way or another?

 

[BrianW]

Also I have put this out there before but no one was able to answer me. Honest question why is the ROI able to put illegal immigrants straight back on a ferry to the UK without any formal checks or processing but the

Perhaps because the UK and Ireland have a Common Travel Area? You don't need a passport to enter the Republic, any more than Yorkshire. (In reality, you may be asked for an ID like a driving licence, but I doubt that is needed on the island of Ireland, once you've got there.) Now, I don't know the full SP of the CTA, but it looks like undesirables can legally be sent back. Presumably, this works both ways.

We don't have a common travel area with the rest of the EU and Brexit meant we gave up the Dublin Agreement. So, we have no agreed system to return these people to France.

As for the Australian immigration system, it's what we have, more or less. To get a visa to immigrate, you have to hit a points target. Same as Australia. On the basis of the latest data I have seen, 97% of total immigrants have a visa given to them by the UK government. Mostly, I presume, for economic reasons.

All Brexit did was reduce EU immigration and replace it with Commonwealth and Third World immigration. And increase the total numbers. People coming from further away, without free movement, are all the more likely to stay here permanently. Many EU immigrants stayed for a bit, then went home to Poland or wherever.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Really? So if we had stayed we would have been doing much better than Germany and France.

You're disputing that Brexit has had a negative effect on our economy.

Good luck convincing a single economist of that.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You're disputing that Brexit has had a negative effect on our economy.

Good luck convincing a single economist of that.

Patrick Minford is still alive isn't he?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Patrick Minford is still alive isn't he?

I vaguely recall even he had recanted, but am too lazy to find out for sure.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

You're disputing that Brexit has had a negative effect on our economy.

Good luck convincing a single economist of that.

I dont think thats what I said, I asked you a question, which you ignored.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Perhaps because the UK and Ireland have a Common Travel Area? You don't need a passport to enter the Republic, any more than Yorkshire. (In reality, you may be asked for an ID like a driving licence, but I doubt that is needed on the island of Ireland, once you've got there.) Now, I don't know the full SP of the CTA, but it looks like undesirables can legally be sent back. Presumably, this works both ways.

We don't have a common travel area with the rest of the EU and Brexit meant we gave up the Dublin Agreement. So, we have no agreed system to return these people to France.

As for the Australian immigration system, it's what we have, more or less. To get a visa to immigrate, you have to hit a points target. Same as Australia. On the basis of the latest data I have seen, 97% of total immigrants have a visa given to them by the UK government. Mostly, I presume, for economic reasons.

All Brexit did was reduce EU immigration and replace it with Commonwealth and Third World immigration. And increase the total numbers. People coming from further away, without free movement, are all the more likely to stay here permanently. Many EU immigrants stayed for a bit, then went home to Poland or wherever.

Good response Brian. Thanks.

I'm wasn't a fan of the last Government, but to be honest I don't recall us returning many people back to France before we left the EU, do you?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

As always a good little debate chaps. Until the next time.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I dont think thats what I said, I asked you a question, which you ignored.

Yes, I chose to skip your tedious rhetorical device and stick to the facts.

Brexit harmed Britain.

No different political class could have done it without harming Britain.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Based on your statements, I happen to disagree. There is no balance or objectivity in your statements.

In my statements where I am refuting your assertion that my assessment of recklessness is simply founded on the fact I disagree with those individuals?

I feel I’ve explained myself more than adequately and in a reasoned way, which is as objective and balanced as it needed to be.