How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

inbetween said:
Why when we all have barometric passports? I've been to the US, Mexico and Bahamas over the last 5 years and I've never been stamped out. The only place I have been stamped out is Spain and Germany over the last 2 years....
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The pan-EU Entry/Exit System is not fully operational yet so until it is there is no other way for any one country to ensure people aren’t overstaying. Fortunately it will be in place soon and maybe when that happens the EU will drop the stamping requirement. Good job we took back control!
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/p...s-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en

By the way, does your barometric passport have an altitude readout or does it forecast the weather?
 
west didsblue said:
The pan-EU Entry/Exit System is not fully operational yet so until it is there is no other way for any one country to ensure people aren’t overstaying. Fortunately it will be in place soon and maybe when that happens the EU will drop the stamping requirement. Good job we took back control!
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/p...s-and-visa/smart-borders/entry-exit-system_en

By the way, does your barometric passport have an altitude readout or does it forecast the weather?
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I didn't agree with Brexit by the way, I'm just pointing out my experience because I always thought that European countries were tolerant and open but it seems not unless you're in their club. This is why anything involving both Brexit and the EU irritates me, we did leave but that shouldn't stop us from making things easier for each other.

I could understand if we went through a rigmarole of making things harder for EU citizens but that hasn't happened. Our border seems so frictionless in comparison and in the queue for the UK border it's like we never left as unlike Germany you go through the exact same channel as people from the EU.

If these are indeed the consequences then what they're imposing at their border and with these strange passport checks at the gate, it just seems strangely excessive and actually quite discriminatory. If this is what non-EU citizens have to put up with over there then it sounds like a nightmare for them too.

And indeed my biometric passport is designed for use at all altitudes.... I need to stop flying!
 
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inbetween said:
I didn't agree with Brexit by the way, I'm just pointing out my experience because I always thought that European countries were tolerant and open but it seems not unless you're in their club. This is why anything involving both Brexit and the EU irritates me, we did leave but that shouldn't stop us from making things easier for each other.

I could understand if we went through a rigmarole of making things harder for EU citizens but that hasn't happened. Our border seems so frictionless in comparison and in the queue for the UK border it's like we never left as unlike Germany you go through the exact same channel as people from the EU.

If these are indeed the consequences then what they're imposing at their border seems strangely excessive and actually quite discriminatory. If this is what non-EU citizens have to put up with over there then it sounds like a nightmare for them too.

And indeed my biometric passport is designed for use at all altitudes.... I need to stop flying!
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It’s the system that’s in place for all third countries. It’s quite possible that countries like the US already have an automated system that works right across the country but as I said earlier the EU doesn’t. It may well be true that some EU countries aren’t that bothered about stamping passports but because they operate a pan-EU system that they’re all signed up to then they can’t unilaterally not do it.

On the other hand, one of our Brexit benefits is that we can do whatever we want and make life easier for people travelling from the EU. The real reason it’s much smoother entering the UK is that our border force isn’t geared up to carrying out the same checks even though our government would love to do it.

It’s the same with customs checks on imports. We’ve effectively imposed sanctions on ourselves by agreeing to rules whereby imports are checked by customs officers but in reality the manpower isn’t in place so the EU has almost free access to our market but because they got their act together the same doesn’t apply the other way.

Bottom line is Brexit is the most ludicrous thing that this country could possibly have done to itself but we’re stuck with it and we’re now totally reliant on the EU introducing systems to make life easier for UK travellers and exporters, something they’re not obliged to do but hopefully will happen in due course.
 
inbetween said:
I didn't agree with Brexit by the way, I'm just pointing out my experience because I always thought that European countries were tolerant and open but it seems not unless you're in their club. This is why anything involving both Brexit and the EU irritates me, we did leave but that shouldn't stop us from making things easier for each other.

I could understand if we went through a rigmarole of making things harder for EU citizens but that hasn't happened. Our border seems so frictionless in comparison and in the queue for the UK border it's like we never left as unlike Germany you go through the exact same channel as people from the EU.

If these are indeed the consequences then what they're imposing at their border and with these strange passport checks at the gate, it just seems strangely excessive and actually quite discriminatory. If this is what non-EU citizens have to put up with over there then it sounds like a nightmare for them too.

And indeed my biometric passport is designed for use at all altitudes.... I need to stop flying!
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European Union countries are generally tolerant and fair. Flying from Brussels to Rome is as smooth as flying from Bristol to Edinburgh. Both parties, however, need to protect their borders.

Things will likely get worse in both directions next year (imagine being asked for proof of a return ticket, proof of medical insurance for the trip, proof of where you will be staying in the E.U, etc.) and then the next U.K. government will come under pressure to renegotiate. I reckon that once the new gates are up and running in the EU, the U.K. will stump up and be given a ‘peculiar’ status that sets it apart from other third countries and which allows U.K. citizens to use the gates.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yep, it will be done by fingerprint and facial scan. But as far as I’m aware if you are travelling by car or coach, you will need to exit the vehicle for the scan to take place, so not sure how much time it will save in certain situations.
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Sooner we move to behavioural biometrics and get rid of queues the better. Universities in Manchester and Madrid have collaborated on allowing scanners to measure gait, and floor sensors can determine weight and tread. Can apparently be 99.3% accurate. That said, how good they’ll be at identifying portly City fans who have been on the sauce for three days remains to be seen.
 
inbetween said:
It has nothing to do with the EU but rather the countries involved. We are a third country and the EU does not set immigration or border policies so the EU itself is irrelevant.

We were also not in Schengen so when in the EU they had to check our passports somehow anyway so queues are still unavoidable and getting a stamp as part of that doesn't change much. What is a chore however is the weird new processes around the above, things that I haven't done when travelling to any other country so it just comes across as odd and spiteful.

You don't need to get stamped out of the USA for example? Do German nationals get stamped into the UK or can they use the automatic gates? I'd bet my house they can use the automatic gates so why can't we use theirs?
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No, if you enter from outside the Schengen or the EU area, whether you enter at Germany or anywhere else the entry rules are the same, they aren’t set by the country they are set by the EU for countries outside Schngen and outside the EU. A choice , we made for ourselves, we could have negotiated with the EU to have the same entry requirements we had while an EU member, same as other non EU countries did we chose not to.
 
inbetween said:
I flew to Germany (Munich) 2 weeks ago and most of the problems are created by the European countries and what is either spiteful or just stupidly inefficient policies. You have to get a stamp on the way in and you'll queue dependent on staff, everyone else will use the automatic barriers.

On the return to the UK we had to queue for our stamp out and couldn't use the barriers like everyone else of any other country. Later they forced us into a massive queue at the gate to get a 'sticker' in our passport saying it'd been checked, I don't know what they check but that's 150 people in a queue for no reason.

There's no reason whatsoever for any of this actually. I flew to the US and Caribbean last year and I didn't need to get stamped out and I didn't need to queue to get my passport checked at the gate. So why does Germany insist on these checks specifically for UK passport holders/UK flights?

Note for city fans travelling, this whole process will probably be a pain in the arse in 3 weeks time. You will come back to the UK and wonder why EU nationals or anyone with a barometric passport can use our automatic barriers but you can't use theirs.... Go figure.
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Because we have brexited - and on OUR terms.
It's OUR government who have insisted on entry/exit stamps!
The U.S.A. and Caribbean aren't in the E.U.
 
inbetween said:
I didn't agree with Brexit by the way, I'm just pointing out my experience because I always thought that European countries were tolerant and open but it seems not unless you're in their club. This is why anything involving both Brexit and the EU irritates me, we did leave but that shouldn't stop us from making things easier for each other.

I could understand if we went through a rigmarole of making things harder for EU citizens but that hasn't happened. Our border seems so frictionless in comparison and in the queue for the UK border it's like we never left as unlike Germany you go through the exact same channel as people from the EU.

If these are indeed the consequences then what they're imposing at their border and with these strange passport checks at the gate, it just seems strangely excessive and actually quite discriminatory. If this is what non-EU citizens have to put up with over there then it sounds like a nightmare for them too.

And indeed my biometric passport is designed for use at all altitudes.... I need to stop flying!
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You fail to understand that there has to be a benefit to ''being in the club''


other than the expectation that because you're British everyone should roll out the red carpet.
 
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