How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yeah that was my ancestors, sorry about that.

Ulster Scots?

 

[Koniec]

Ulster Scots?

Yup. My mums family moved to Co Londonderry in the 1600s from NE Scotchland.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yup. My mums family moved to Co Londonderry in the 1600s from NE Scotchland.

My condolences to your family. You do know that at one point in the 1600’s under either James I or Charles I (I could look it up) Scots Presbyterians suffered similarly to Catholics in the banning of their worship rights. Also not being allowed hold office.
I think it was Chas who wanted to enforce his place as sovereign and head of the Church of England. He favoured the more pomp and ceremony of Church of Ireland which Presbyterians saw as more akin to Popishness.

The history of English rule in Ireland has always been sectarian since the reformation and particularly from Elizabeth I onwards.
The 1600’s in particular were barbaric with insane savagery, on both sides it must be said, in the name of religion and the power it wielded.

 

[Koniec]

My condolences to your family. You do know that at one point in the 1600’s under either James I or Charles I (I could look it up) Scots Presbyterians suffered similarly to Catholics in the banning of their worship rights. Also not being allowed hold office.
I think it was Chas who wanted to enforce his place as sovereign and head of the Church of England. He favoured the more pomp and ceremony of Church of Ireland which Presbyterians saw as more akin to Popishness.

The history of English rule in Ireland has always been sectarian since the reformation and particularly from Elizabeth I onwards.
The 1600’s in particular were barbaric with insane savagery, on both sides it must be said, in the name of religion and the power it wielded.

My mums family, I didn’t do anything. Fwiw my mum, from a staunch family votes SNP. I’ve seen her walk up to Ian Paisley and rip into him. Both sides of my family have had spilled blood in the troubles (what a whimsical name). Going there as a teen and being asked by 10 yo kids if I liked the pope or Queen made me realise that place has no hope.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yup!
Our present to you.

You could have just restricted the gift to our southern neighbours.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

You could have just restricted the gift to our southern neighbours.

The onus is on yerselves to do that.
We tried and look at the mess we made of it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

The onus is on yerselves to do that.
We tried and look at the mess we made of it.

I don't know. Lots of pain but you are ok now as a nation. Bono says so.

 

[Gabriel]

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I don't know. Lots of pain but you are ok now as a nation. Bono says so.

I think Coatigan is closer to the truth than we think.
The real proof of how far we have come will be when we down south have to make a grown up decision about what a United future would look like.

Never mind the must say NO looneys up north, we have enough of our own still knocking about, I fear.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

My mums family, I didn’t do anything. Fwiw my mum, from a staunch family votes SNP. I’ve seen her walk up to Ian Paisley and rip into him. Both sides of my family have had spilled blood in the troubles (what a whimsical name). Going there as a teen and being asked by 10 yo kids if I liked the pope or Queen made me realise that place has no hope.

And that’s how it seemed and yet as John Hume said in 1998 when asked about the talks that seemed like they were falling apart;

I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic. I’m hopeful.

I very much doubt I’ll see a United Ireland in my lifetime, but who knows? What does a United Ireland even mean anymore? None of us know.