How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

You want me to name business owners who like making money out of cheaper employees from abroad. Unless you think all business folks by default are morally sound individuals.

We have had this over the years and eventually even the remainers admit some woukd vote in preference to.their wallets rather than their prejudice.

Then a daft donk brings it up again at a later date, usually one that has spent years moaning about dishonesty from the other side.

I mean someone even mentioned obsession before, a remainer haha. The self awareness on this subject never ceases to amuse l.

Such business people don't usually treat the "native population" much better if they can get away with it do they?

There's section of various diaspora population in the UK that encourage their compatriots to come over and exploit them in domestic servitude or illegal accomodation at inflated rates. It's not something to make light of, but it's not racism.
 
As a collective electorate, we all deserve to be called stupid tbh.

The danger may be in believing there was a time when that wasn't true. It becomes a new spin on The Golden Age Fallacy. Brits have always been the same sort of mix. We're just seeing more self-belief in certain quarters, and hearing a lot more from them.
 
The danger may be in believing there was a time when that wasn't true. It becomes a new spin on The Golden Age Fallacy. Brits have always been the same sort of mix. We're just seeing more self-belief in certain quarters, and hearing a lot more from them.

Oh absolutely. There’s a reason we don’t do referendums that often :)
 
That's not true as you can see from the below. Plenty of Remainers held racist attitudes as well. Not as big a percentage as Leave voters but a significant number nonetheless:

"Brits who voted Leave in the EU referendum are more likely to describe themselves as "racially prejudiced" than those who voted Remain, according to new research.

A survey of 2,220 people found that 34% of Leave voters admitted holding racist attitudes compared to 18% of Remain voters.

The study, conducted by the National Centre for Social Research, found 26% of Britons still described themselves as "very" or "a little" prejudiced towards people of other races."
To be fair, it's not just race it's xenophobia too. I would think a significant proportion of Brexit voters had issues with, for example, Poles. I would also suggest that many would not be 'prejudiced towards people of other races' but maybe there's a form of NIMBYism at play. Bit like people are in favour of housebuilding but as long as it is not in their area.

I'd have to see the report as the headlines may not accurately reflect the study in question. I would hope the questions they are asked were a bit more nuanced than 'to what extent, if at all, are you prejudiced towards people of other races'. I do have an interest in this as a I am a research manager in a policy and strategy service. I may have to dig out out the report.
 
To be honest and I don't want people to take offence but anyone who voted for Brexit was stupid, we voted to put economic sanctions upon ourselves despite all the warnings about the consequences, and all the consequences have happened or are in the process of happening
That’s a gross over simplification, mate. Plenty of folk (for example) simply don’t want to be attached to Europe in that way, irrespective of the economic consequences. It’s visceral but also an honestly held belief that isn’t (necessarily) founded in stupidity.
 
That’s a gross over simplification, mate. Plenty of folk (for example) simply don’t want to be attached to Europe in that way, irrespective of the economic consequences. It’s visceral but also an honestly held belief that isn’t (necessarily) founded in stupidity.
They were daft, not stupid. There’s an important difference.
 
They were daft, not stupid. There’s an important difference.
I’m not sure that’s a totally fair description either, if that’s their perspective on national sovereignty.

If they are alive to, and accept the consequences of their views then I’m nor sure that’s ‘daft’. It’s wrong imo, which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.
 
I’m not sure that’s a totally fair description either, if that’s their perspective on national sovereignty.

If they are alive to, and accept the consequences of their views then I’m nor sure that’s ‘daft’. It’s wrong imo, which doesn’t necessarily amount to the same thing.
Most did a daft thing for daft reasons mate. I’m happy with the description. A minority had Machiavellian and selfish Motivations and they manipulated those too daft not to see through them.
 

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