How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

somapop said:
Was Brexit mentioned on the debate btw?
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An occasional boast that they got Brexit done like it was some sort of great achievement to cave into what the EU wanted in order to get a deal. They didn’t want to talk about NI and waffled about realising Brexit opportunities, new trade deals and the other shite that we know doesn’t stand up to even basic scrutiny.
 
Just for once I’d like to see them actually being pushed to describe the so-called benefits and opportunities presented by the whole shambles.
The brains truss trumpeting the Australian trade deal after it was thoroughly trashed by the farmers‘ union boss on QT last week as causing huge damage to British farming.
Just more of the same old lies told in slightly different ways.
Still, it’s great to watch the back-stabbing and recriminations.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
Just for once I’d like to see them actually being pushed to describe the so-called benefits and opportunities presented by the whole shambles.
The brains truss trumpeting the Australian trade deal after it was thoroughly trashed by the farmers‘ union boss on QT last week as causing huge damage to British farming.
Just more of the same old lies told in slightly different ways.
Still, it’s great to watch the back-stabbing and recriminations.
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The media are completely in cahoots with them so you’ll be waiting quite a long time, sadly.
 
Rees Mogg has apparently claimed that it may take 50 years for us to reap the benefits of Brexit.

Not only is this assertion unfalsifiable to all intents and purposes, it is also indistinguishable from, say, one made by an end of the world cult that the apocalypse will happen in 2072.

In their seminal book When Prophecy Fails, the social psychologists Festinger, Riecken and Schachter tested their theories on how people might be expected to behave when faced with a specific type of dissonance, arising from a failed prophecy. From historical examples, the team had seen that in some cases the failure of a prophecy, rather than causing a rejection of the original belief system, could lead believers to increase their personal commitment, and also increase their efforts to recruit others into the belief.

Rees-Mogg's behaviour and that of other Brexiters also seems to fall within the parameters of this hypothesis.

Additionally, Rees-Mogg recently tweeted that 'free trade is always the key to prosperity' in connection with the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

This claim is false.

For poorer countries (Peru, Vietnam in this instance), free trade can be damaging. As a result of opening up their borders to free trade, infant industries within an LEDC (Less Economically Developed Country) often find themselves unable to compete with better established TNC’s (Trans-National Corporations), and so end up going out of business, while the TNC’s themselves often operate in an exploitative manner, introducing a sweatshop culture into the economy. Many observers of this process might therefore deem it to be intrinsically immoral.

Economies that resist implementing free trade in a wholesale manner (for example, by not privatising state enterprises that deliver essential services, or keeping import tariffs to protect their infant industries) often perform better economically.

For me personally, Rees-Mogg is a charlatan. And that's before we even get to his views of abortion, that are also straightforward to eviscerate as they are essentially fideistic and illogical.

Amazes me that he is regarded in some circles as scholarly.
 
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