How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Their economies seem to be growing a great deal faster than ours though.
I will say Brexit is a loss because factually thats accurate.

And to add to the factual realities around trade etc, Brexit's political impact is directly responsible for leading us to the point where we had a prime minister and chancellor so devoid of ability and diligence that they managed to setback our economy hugely within days of taking office.
 
I'm not saying Brexit is a winner or a loss, but anybody who has been abroad in Europe lately will know they are suffering exactly the same problems we are here. Soaring costs in the shops, fuel orice increases and shortages, empty shelves.

Which places have you been most recently?
 
The problems we currently face certainly aren’t all down to Brexit, but it has undoubtedly made them significantly worse.

I agree but we were never going to leave something we were entrenched in for 50 years without problems. Covid, closing the economy for two years and the fuel crisis/war in Ukraine are bigger contributory factors than Brexit. Add in the establishment obviously didn't want or anticipate the country voting to leave so will do everything in their power to make it fail and get us back in as quickly as possible. The media and Twitter are making out it's only Britain suffering soaring inflation and all the other problems when it isn't.
 
I agree but we were never going to leave something we were entrenched in for 50 years without problems. Covid, closing the economy for two years and the fuel crisis/war in Ukraine are bigger contributory factors than Brexit. Add in the establishment obviously didn't want or anticipate the country voting to leave so will do everything in their power to make it fail and get us back in as quickly as possible. The media and Twitter are making out it's only Britain suffering soaring inflation and all the other problems when it isn't.
What establishment are you referring to?
 
Spain. Trust me they are feeling it there and I had an apartment for four weeks so shopped for food and everything had increased in price since I was last there in January.

Mainland or islands?

Just came back from Fuerteventura and I went in several supermarket chains in settlements across the island, I'll bow to your greater knowledge on prices but didn't see many empty shelves.
 
What establishment are you referring to?

Politicians and the rich elite of the country for whom being in the EU was marvellous. As I've stated I'm not for or against it, I have an open mind, but to blame the shambles in this country solely on it, as many are, is ludicrous, when other European countries are suffering very similar problems to ourselves. Luckily for them they haven't got such an inept government adding to their woes.
 
Politicians and the rich elite of the country for whom being in the EU was marvellous. As I've stated I'm not for or against it, I have an open mind, but to blame the shambles in this country solely on it, as many are, is ludicrous, when other European countries are suffering very similar problems to ourselves. Luckily for them they haven't got such an inept government adding to their woes.
You’re not getting it. When you suffer economic blows like COVID to recover you need economic growth. Brexit has massively impacted our ability to grow the economy which is going to make the forthcoming recession much much worse than everybody else’s. The worst is yet to come.
 
Mainland or islands?

Just came back from Fuerteventura and I went in several supermarket chains in settlements across the island, I'll bow to your greater knowledge on prices but didn't see many empty shelves.

I was in Tenerife. Everything has increased in price. As a regular visitor I noticed it. I know people that have lived there for 30+ years and they were in agreement. There are shortages of certain items of food on a regular basis. Just one example was minced beef. In January it was €3.75, in September €4.75. Avocados are like gold now. They were 9+€ for a kilo.
 
Mainland or islands?

Just came back from Fuerteventura and I went in several supermarket chains in settlements across the island, I'll bow to your greater knowledge on prices but didn't see many empty shelves.
I presume he’s talking Tenerife. Spain itself, or certainly where I am atm has not seen any major issues regards empty shelves unless you’re after a particular British product which due to brexit are hard to find anymore.
The prices have increased but not massively so and the petrol prices have been quite steady for a while and actually. showing sign of dropping.
Touristic islands are always going to show bigger price increases due to the need to import so much. Tenerife doesn’t do much in the self sustaining area unless you’re a fan of bananas and honey rum…
 
You’re not getting it. When you suffer economic blows like COVID to recover you need economic growth. Brexit has massively impacted our ability to grow the economy which is going to make the forthcoming recession much much worse than everybody else’s. The worst is yet to come.

I am getting it. It's not just us, the rest of Europe are suffering the same. Predominantly it's down to fuel prices as everything is more expensive to make and deliver. I bought a loaf of bread in Aldi yesterday. A few months ago it was 45p. Yesterday I paid 79p. No economic growth will happen anywhere until this is sorted out. My fuel bills have doubled in price and every food item I buy has increased and is continuing to do so on a weekly basis.
 
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I was in Tenerife. Everything has increased in price. As a regular visitor I noticed it. I know people that have lived there for 30+ years and they were in agreement. There are shortages of certain items of food on a regular basis. Just one example was minced beef. In January it was €3.75, in September €4.75. Avocados are like gold now. They were 9+€ for a kilo.

Are those locally grown Avos?

Not many beef farms there either.
 
Roughly £8bn a year with unfettered access to the worlds biggest market, supply chain security and no labour shortages
= Erling Haaland £51m
Bargain doesn't begin to cover it

Currently UK with 60bn fiscal black hole ...

Yeah but vaccines..................war..........Ukraine..............Big Calls..............
 
I am getting it. It's not just us, the rest of Europe are suffering the same. Predominantly it's down to fuel prices as everything is more expensive to make and deliver. I bought a loaf of bread in Aldi yesterday. A few months ago it was 45p. Yesterday I paid 79p. No economic growth will happen anywhere until this is sorted out. My fuel bills have doubled in price and every food item I buy has increased and is continuing to do so on a weekly basis.

Keep believing that mate - all those pesky experts with their reports, facts and figures that show the impact Brexit has had and continues to have on the UK economy....what do they know.....
 
I am getting it. It's not just us, the rest of Europe are suffering the same. Predominantly it's down to fuel prices as everything is more expensive to make and deliver. I bought a load of bread in Aldi yesterday. A few months ago it was 45p. Yesterday I paid 79p. No economic growth will happen anywhere until this is sorted out. My fuel bills have doubled in price and every food item I buy has increased and is continuing to do so on a weekly basis.

The Brexit argument has many fatal flaws. First, the Leave campaign insisted that Brexit would reduce prices of food, clothes and even energy. It also said there would be extra money for the NHS. This hasn’t happened. Brexiteers will argue it is the same all over Europe, but we left ‘Europe’, so why are we suffering the same? Where are the Brexit reductions to offset higher prices? Indeed, why is the NHS in bigger crisis then it was in 2016?

Then we have trade, where volume of trade is down with Europe and we have yet to bounce back to pre-pandemic levels, whereas volumes of trade in other European countries have recovered. This is because they did not replace their trading and immigration models with inferior ones. This means we are worse off and it is starting to show, ie the ‘slow puncture’ effect.

Finally, political instability which is a direct byproduct of Brexit. This is undeniable. We will be on our fifth PM since 2016 and we currently run a ‘Chancellor of the month’ competition. It has also placed a strain on our own Union, especially NI, and sank relations with the RoI (and re-ordered our trade with them).

Brexit was the promise that all our problems would be fixed by leaving the EU. Instead, it made them visibly worse and delivered nothing of value.
 
Was listening to Five Live the other day and a political commentator was..errr…commenting on the number of PMs since 2016 saying he couldn’t quite attribute it to anything, but ‘something was happening’.

How blind do you have to be to not link it directly to the vote to leave the EU?

From 1979 to 2016 we had five PMs and we’ll most likely have the same number in six fucking years.

What else can it be down to? We have needlessly precipitated utter chaos upon ourselves.
 

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