How do you explain self organisation in nature?

[johnny crossan]

I'm not qualified, not a mathematician, not a biologist, not any kind of scientist in fact.
Not even studied Readers Digest.

I'm just fixated on stopping you becoming the Robespierre of Bluemoon.

Dear JC - I am now worried that you might, in a sudden fit of whimsy, make it your lifes work to deny me the soubriquet of the Cedric Rhodes of Bluemoon, a nomenclature I have long aspired to. If this is indeed the case I would like to appeal to your better nature.
Yours in hope,
Sweyn.

Are you not confusing yourself with Cedric Twistleton-Fetlock? Whereas the current Bluemoon expert on Cecil Rhodes would be very much at home on here:

I mean, the ancient people of Africa had'nt even heard of Jesus Christ until the shithouse western world took there religious bolox over there and got rid of the ancient knowledge, now Africa is possibly the most god fearing nation on the planet. Cecil Rhodes has a lot to answer for btw, what a twat. He was so controlling and dominant that he even had a country named after him and evn a fu*in scholarship, a scholarship that welcomes the like of Bill Clinton and many ex-presidents and prime ministers into it, but WOW, they have Rhodes Scholarships so they must be important and clever, eh? Now all get down and pray and thankgod we found(had rammed down our throats from birth) Jesus. Now that my friend, is how you condition an entire Nation and push the bolox into the mainstream, thats what i call, BULLSHIT, just a thought.

 

[SWP's back]

Shocker

How so?

You find someone with a difference of opinion (on a matter perhaps close to your heart) to be unreasonable.<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:01 pm --<br /><br />

Dear JC - I am now worried that you might, in a sudden fit of whimsy, make it your lifes work to deny me the soubriquet of the Cedric Rhodes of Bluemoon, a nomenclature I have long aspired to. If this is indeed the case I would like to appeal to your better nature.
Yours in hope,
Sweyn.

Are you not confusing yourself with Cedric Twistleton-Fetlock? Whereas the current Bluemoon expert on Cecil Rhodes would be very much at home on here:

I mean, the ancient people of Africa had'nt even heard of Jesus Christ until the shithouse western world took there religious bolox over there and got rid of the ancient knowledge, now Africa is possibly the most god fearing nation on the planet. Cecil Rhodes has a lot to answer for btw, what a twat. He was so controlling and dominant that he even had a country named after him and evn a fu*in scholarship, a scholarship that welcomes the like of Bill Clinton and many ex-presidents and prime ministers into it, but WOW, they have Rhodes Scholarships so they must be important and clever, eh? Now all get down and pray and thankgod we found(had rammed down our throats from birth) Jesus. Now that my friend, is how you condition an entire Nation and push the bolox into the mainstream, thats what i call, BULLSHIT, just a thought.

Buzzer always cheers me up.

 

[sweynforkbeard]

Dear JC - I am now worried that you might, in a sudden fit of whimsy, make it your lifes work to deny me the soubriquet of the Cedric Rhodes of Bluemoon, a nomenclature I have long aspired to. If this is indeed the case I would like to appeal to your better nature.
Yours in hope,
Sweyn.

Are you not confusing yourself with Cedric Twistleton-Fetlock? Whereas the current Bluemoon expert on Cecil Rhodes would be very much at home on here:

I mean, the ancient people of Africa had'nt even heard of Jesus Christ until the shithouse western world took there religious bolox over there and got rid of the ancient knowledge, now Africa is possibly the most god fearing nation on the planet. Cecil Rhodes has a lot to answer for btw, what a twat. He was so controlling and dominant that he even had a country named after him and evn a fu*in scholarship, a scholarship that welcomes the like of Bill Clinton and many ex-presidents and prime ministers into it, but WOW, they have Rhodes Scholarships so they must be important and clever, eh? Now all get down and pray and thankgod we found(had rammed down our throats from birth) Jesus. Now that my friend, is how you condition an entire Nation and push the bolox into the mainstream, thats what i call, BULLSHIT, just a thought.

I refuse to have anything to do with the name Cecil as I consider it to have effeminate overtones. No, Cedric Rhodes is my man of choice, one of the finest Chairman ever to have graced county cricket and like many of my heroes a true renaissance man who took time out from the numbing minutiae of counting scorecard receipts to father the renowned TV chef and irritant Gary. Another feather in his cap was teaching nephew Randy power chords which so illuminated mid career Black Sabbath before his untimely demise. Old Ced only just edges Olivia de Havilland in my book - can you imagine any of todays thespians abandoning filming of Gone With The Wind in the looming mayhem of a world war to personally rivet every single bomber which bore her name? Your kind reply, and in such exquisite script, has prompted joyous frolicking in the Forkbeard residence for we still recall with pleasure your frequent appendage of Gustav Dore engravings to illustrate the barm/muffin controversy.

 

[Skashion]

How so?

You find someone with a difference of opinion (on a matter perhaps close to your heart) to be unreasonable.

Some quite big flaws in this sentence.

1. I have not presumed someone with a difference of opinion to be unreasonable at all. I judge individually and specifically said that it's a generalisation that I attach to 'vocal' atheists, like Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

2. You have presumed there is a difference of an opinion. I wander back and forth between atheism and agnosticism depending on which arguments I find more convincing. Right now, it is agnosticism until someone can explain to me why a multiverse is more simple than one-God-one-universe or until convincing evidence is produced which implies a multiverse. I have NEVER been a theist, even from the youngest age I can remember.

3. On a matter close to my heart? You'd be hard pushed to find anyone on the entire planet who couldn't give a shit more than me. The difference I see between myself and many 'vocal' atheists is that I am not possessed of the notion that, itself, belief in God is harmful. The baggage of religion, of cults and various other exploitative religion-affiliated organisations is one I disassociate from belief in God. You can believe there is a creator without having any further beliefs whatsoever. Personally, I am happy to be judged on a set of values I live by which were arrived at independently of religion. If that's not good enough for God, I won't apologise and I definitely won't be blackmailed so I'm fucked already.

 

[ElanJo]

You find someone with a difference of opinion (on a matter perhaps close to your heart) to be unreasonable.

Some quite big flaws in this sentence.

1. I have not presumed someone with a difference of opinion to be unreasonable at all. I judge individually and specifically said that it's a generalisation that I attach to 'vocal' atheists, like Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

2. You have presumed there is a difference of an opinion. I wander back and forth between atheism and agnosticism depending on which arguments I find more convincing. Right now, it is agnosticism until someone can explain to me why a multiverse is more simple than one-God-one-universe or until convincing evidence is produced which implies a multiverse. I have NEVER been a theist, even from the youngest age I can remember.

3. On a matter close to my heart? You'd be hard pushed to find anyone on the entire planet who couldn't give a shit more than me. The difference I see between myself and many 'vocal' atheists is that I am not possessed of the notion that, itself, belief in God is harmful. The baggage of religion, of cults and various other exploitative religion-affiliated organisations is one I disassociate from belief in God. You can believe there is a creator without having any further beliefs whatsoever. Personally, I am happy to be judged on a set of values I live by which were arrived at independently of religion. If that's not good enough for God, I won't apologise and I definitely won't be blackmailed so I'm fucked already.

I don't think you'll find that the 'vocal' atheists, as you put it, are any different in that regard.

"I wander back and forth between atheism and agnosticism"
I don't think that makes sense. If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.

 

[Skashion]

I don't think you'll find that the 'vocal' atheists, as you put it, are any different in that regard.

"I wander back and forth between atheism and agnosticism"
I don't think that makes sense. If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.

Like I said, people like Dawkins do. He talks of organising atheist political power to counter religious political power. To me any pro-secularist is welcome aboard the train of secularism, theist or not whereas Dawkins probably wouldn't make such allowances, him being on record as saying he prefers the fundamentalist of the opposition. That kind of shit is why I think he and others of his ilk are unreasonable.

So you don't believe there's such a thing as agnosticism?

 

[SWP's back]

I don't think you'll find that the 'vocal' atheists, as you put it, are any different in that regard.

"I wander back and forth between atheism and agnosticism"
I don't think that makes sense. If you don't believe in a god then you're an atheist.

Like I said, people like Dawkins do. He talks of organising atheist political power to counter religious political power. To me any pro-secularist is welcome aboard the train of secularism, theist or not whereas Dawkins probably wouldn't make such allowances, him being on record as saying he prefers the fundamentalist of the opposition. That kind of shit is why I think he and others of his ilk are unreasonable.

So you don't believe there's such a thing as agnosticism?

Dawkicovers that quite well in the book you are reading, in my opinion.<br /><br />-- Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:33 pm --<br /><br />Sorry on iPhone and not worked out how to use it properly yet

 

[johnny crossan]

Are you not confusing yourself with Cedric Twistleton-Fetlock?

I refuse to have anything to do with the name Cecil as I consider it to have effeminate overtones. No, Cedric Rhodes is my man of choice, one of the finest Chairman ever to have graced county cricket and like many of my heroes a true renaissance man who took time out from the numbing minutiae of counting scorecard receipts to father the renowned TV chef and irritant Gary. Another feather in his cap was teaching nephew Randy power chords which so illuminated mid career Black Sabbath before his untimely demise. Old Ced only just edges Olivia de Havilland in my book - can you imagine any of todays thespians abandoning filming of Gone With The Wind in the looming mayhem of a world war to personally rivet every single bomber which bore her name? Your kind reply, and in such exquisite script, has prompted joyous frolicking in the Forkbeard residence for we still recall with pleasure your frequent appendage of Gustav Dore engravings to illustrate the barm/muffin controversy.

I see you are at the blessed omega point of our species' evolution

but of Cedric Rhoades - a figure shrouded in mystery and intrigue - I fear I can bring no further illumination. My trusties have been despatched in search of insights into his genius but so far they only bring me scraps about Cedric Hardwicke.

 

[tonea2003]

Well, I'm not religous, though I do believe in God ( after a fashion)

mammutly
i'm interested in this statement, what do you mean after a fashion?
by being not religious by default you don't believe

 

[sweynforkbeard]

I refuse to have anything to do with the name Cecil as I consider it to have effeminate overtones. No, Cedric Rhodes is my man of choice, one of the finest Chairman ever to have graced county cricket and like many of my heroes a true renaissance man who took time out from the numbing minutiae of counting scorecard receipts to father the renowned TV chef and irritant Gary. Another feather in his cap was teaching nephew Randy power chords which so illuminated mid career Black Sabbath before his untimely demise. Old Ced only just edges Olivia de Havilland in my book - can you imagine any of todays thespians abandoning filming of Gone With The Wind in the looming mayhem of a world war to personally rivet every single bomber which bore her name? Your kind reply, and in such exquisite script, has prompted joyous frolicking in the Forkbeard residence for we still recall with pleasure your frequent appendage of Gustav Dore engravings to illustrate the barm/muffin controversy.

I see you are at the blessed omega point of our species' evolution

but of Cedric Rhoades - a figure shrouded in mystery and intrigue - I fear I can bring no further illumination. My trusties have been despatched in search of insights into his genius but so far they only bring me scraps about Cedric Hardwicke.

I can often be found in the Rod Hull Memorial Library perusing copies of the Angling Times. I prefer the intellectual rigour of disbelieving everything unless it is printed in this organ of piscine truth and how well this policy has served me in these days of Twatter and Wikipedapedagoguery. Your mention of Cedric Hardwicke brings to mind his 1942 epic, 'Commando Strike At Dawn,' a timeless account of that much neglected field of wartime industrial relations.