How do you explain self organisation in nature?

[ElanJo]

That is right. The greatest scientists around have lost their ability to think. As opposed to 6 year olds that are taught about creation in Genesis and go on believing that without question. For they are obviously the greater thinkers.

I feel sorry for you and for your need to have a "sky fairy" to make life seem worthwhile.



ps - How arrogant is it to suppose to tell anyone else what you believe your "god" did, or did not do?

You could not make it up.

EDIT: Actually, you could and they did (about 2000 years ago).


No that IS worrying.
I hope to "god" I am never ill when you are around..
DO you find praying for your patients helps?

Arrogant, offensive and ignorant in equal measure - here's what some of those "great" scientists used Darwin's theory for not that long ago -

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtz1yMOnWk[/youtube]

-- Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:45 pm --

Berlinski??
What arguments of his are you actually recommending? He's a bloody idiot.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've ignored the points in the video and instead attacked the person making the points. Try again JC

Yeah right - but ad hominem is so much more fun ain't it!

Ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. I called him an idiot but I also showed (partly - there are more reasons) why.
You just attacked the person.

As I said, try again JC.

 

[SWP's back]

That is right. The greatest scientists around have lost their ability to think. As opposed to 6 year olds that are taught about creation in Genesis and go on believing that without question. For they are obviously the greater thinkers.

I feel sorry for you and for your need to have a "sky fairy" to make life seem worthwhile.



ps - How arrogant is it to suppose to tell anyone else what you believe your "god" did, or did not do?

You could not make it up.

EDIT: Actually, you could and they did (about 2000 years ago).


No that IS worrying.
I hope to "god" I am never ill when you are around..
DO you find praying for your patients helps?

Arrogant, offensive and ignorant in equal measure - here's what some of those "great" scientists used Darwin's theory for not that long ago -

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtz1yMOnWk[/youtube]

-- Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:45 pm --

Berlinski??
What arguments of his are you actually recommending? He's a bloody idiot.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've ignored the points in the video and instead attacked the person making the points. Try again JC

Yeah right - but ad hominem is so much more fun ain't it!

Arrogant? Possibly, but not nearly as much as being force fed the bible from the ages of 4-11.

Offensive? Hopefully (I don't see why I should spare your sensibilities just because you choose to believe in outdated witch-craft.

Ignorant? Certainly not. Not nearly as ignorant as believing a book written 2,000 years ago and used to control a un-thinking and ill educated populace.

As for your little video. Would you like me to post videos of atrocities carried out in the name of a "God"?

Spare me a reply. You and I will never agree on this theme. I am just glad that religion is dying away in the modern world and happy that there are more atheists than theists in the UK.

 

[eagle]

Arrogant? Possibly, but not nearly as much as being force fed the bible from the ages of 4-11.

Offensive? Hopefully (I don't see why I should spare your sensibilities just because you choose to believe in outdated witch-craft.

Ignorant? Certainly not. Not nearly as ignorant as believing a book written 2,000 years ago and used to control a un-thinking and ill educated populace.

As for your little video. Would you like me to post videos of atrocities carried out in the name of a "God"?

Spare me a reply. You and I will never agree on this theme. I am just glad that religion is dying away in the modern world and happy that there are more atheists than theists in the UK.

Many of the most educated people I know follow a religion of one type or another. Some of our greatest thinkers including philosophers, academics or scientists have for example been Jewish.

By the way I can guarantee that a significant number of the people you are sneering at have a higher IQ than you and will have gone to a better uni than the one that you went to.

 

[johnny crossan]

Berlinski??
What arguments of his are you actually recommending? He's a bloody idiot.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've ignored the points in the video and instead attacked the person making the points. Try again JC

Yeah right - but ad hominem is so much more fun ain't it!

Ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. I called him an idiot but I also showed (partly - there are more reasons) why. You just attacked the person.
As I said, try again JC.

I'm not qualified, not a mathematician, not a biologist, not any kind of scientist in fact.
Not even studied Readers Digest.

I'm just fixated on stopping you becoming the Robespierre of Bluemoon.

 

[SWP's back]

Arrogant? Possibly, but not nearly as much as being force fed the bible from the ages of 4-11.

Offensive? Hopefully (I don't see why I should spare your sensibilities just because you choose to believe in outdated witch-craft.

Ignorant? Certainly not. Not nearly as ignorant as believing a book written 2,000 years ago and used to control a un-thinking and ill educated populace.

As for your little video. Would you like me to post videos of atrocities carried out in the name of a "God"?

Spare me a reply. You and I will never agree on this theme. I am just glad that religion is dying away in the modern world and happy that there are more atheists than theists in the UK.

Many of the most educated people I know follow a religion of one type or another. Some of our greatest thinkers including philosophers, academics or scientists have for example been Jewish.

By the way I can guarantee that a significant number of the people you are sneering at have a higher IQ than you and will have gone to a better uni than the one that you went to.

I am very sure that is true eagle. I do not feel the need to judge my IQ against others, nor my university.

You see, delusions and a need to find a crutch to help one through life are not limited to the stupid I am afraid. Some of my most well educated, intelligent friends have the common sense of a hedgehog. Unfortunately, many people can't deal with the insecurities of the unknown or are too arrogant to admit or believe that this is all there is.

I am not saying I do not believe believe in a "god" (and why should I?) because I am more intelligent than you. I am saying those that need to believe have something lacking in their lives.

I think life is wonderous as it is, without the need to "gild the lilly".

 

[eagle]

Many of the most educated people I know follow a religion of one type or another. Some of our greatest thinkers including philosophers, academics or scientists have for example been Jewish.

By the way I can guarantee that a significant number of the people you are sneering at have a higher IQ than you and will have gone to a better uni than the one that you went to.

I am very sure that is true eagle. I do not feel the need to judge my IQ against others, nor my university.

You see, delusions and a need to find a crutch to help one through life are not limited to the stupid I am afraid. Some of my most well educated, intelligent friends have the common sense of a hedgehog. Unfortunately, many people can't deal with the insecurities of the unknown or are too arrogant to admit or believe that this is all there is.

I am not saying I do not believe believe in a "god" (and why should I?) because I am more intelligent than you. I am saying those that need to believe have something lacking in their lives.

I think life is wonderous as it is, without the need to "gild the lilly".

It is maybe you that is lacking something. However I respect your choice to have your own beliefs whatever they maybe, provided you don't deride the beliefs of others.

 

[Anonymous]

i don't get it.

 

[sweynforkbeard]

Berlinski??
What arguments of his are you actually recommending? He's a bloody idiot.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've ignored the points in the video and instead attacked the person making the points. Try again JC

Yeah right - but ad hominem is so much more fun ain't it!

Ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. I called him an idiot but I also showed (partly - there are more reasons) why. You just attacked the person.
As I said, try again JC.

I'm not qualified, not a mathematician, not a biologist, not any kind of scientist in fact.
Not even studied Readers Digest.

I'm just fixated on stopping you becoming the Robespierre of Bluemoon.

Dear JC - I am now worried that you might, in a sudden fit of whimsy, make it your lifes work to deny me the soubriquet of the Cedric Rhodes of Bluemoon, a nomenclature I have long aspired to. If this is indeed the case I would like to appeal to your better nature.
Yours in hope,
Sweyn.

 

[ElanJo]

Berlinski??
What arguments of his are you actually recommending? He's a bloody idiot.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've ignored the points in the video and instead attacked the person making the points. Try again JC

Yeah right - but ad hominem is so much more fun ain't it!

Ad hominem is attacking the person instead of the argument. I called him an idiot but I also showed (partly - there are more reasons) why. You just attacked the person.
As I said, try again JC.

I'm not qualified, not a mathematician, not a biologist, not any kind of scientist in fact.
Not even studied Readers Digest.

I'm just fixated on stopping you becoming the Robespierre of Bluemoon.

You don't need to be a qualified biologist to understand evolution (and how the arguments from the evolution deniers are flawed).

Of course you don't have to worry about me burning the religious at the stake. I don't believe in violence. I try to take a rigorous approach to freedom and ethics.

I'd be more fixated on stopping your fellow believers from carrying out "god's work" if I were you. At least here your refusal to use reasoned argumentation wouldn't hinder your efforts.

 

[mammutly]

Anybody who believes that the natural world was created by a series of random accidents has lost the ability to think.

How arrogant is it to mock an explanation just because it doesn't meet your particular belief crteria.

God having created the natural world is actually more possible that it having evolved via millions upon millions of random events, some of which had more longevity than others. Simple probability theory will tell you that.

That is right. The greatest scientists around have lost their ability to think. As opposed to 6 year olds that are taught about creation in Genesis and go on believing that without question. For they are obviously the greater thinkers.

I feel sorry for you and for your need to have a "sky fairy" to make life seem worthwhile.

-- Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:13 pm --

Anybody who believes that the natural world was created by a series of random accidents has lost the ability to think.

How arrogant is it to mock an explanation just because it doesn't meet your particular belief crteria.

God having created the natural world is actually more possible that it having evolved via millions upon millions of random events, some of which had more longevity than others. Simple probability theory will tell you that.

ps - How arrogant is it to suppose to tell anyone else what you believe your "god" did, or did not do?

You could not make it up.

EDIT: Actually, you could and they did (about 2000 years ago).

-- Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:38 pm --

Alas ! I shall have to cancel my clinics and resign my position!

My lack of scientific sophistication has rendered me useless.


:-(

No that IS worrying.

I hope to "god" I am never ill when you are around..

DO you find praying for your patients helps?

You know, for an atheist. you have very tender sensibilities.