How would you change the UK political system if you could?

I don't think the perfect political system can ever exist, but you can mitigate for extremes.

The UK system evolves as the law evolves, its a natural living entity and in my opinion it is inherently flawed. We rarely get a government elected with over 50% of the votes cast therefore we are nearly always ruled by a minority. We have to mitigate against that minority becoming a tyranny.

I am no expert on this at all, but I have my views and I believe in democracy, I believe the majority should prevail, but we rarely have a majority of the electorate voting for the ruling party. I will take the current government for an example as they were elected on 43.6% of the votes cast yet they have a thumping parliamentary majority of 80 that allows them to act almost unopposed. Since WW2 the largest vote for any party was for the Tories in 1955 who achieved 49.6% of the votes cast but had a majority just 37.

Now I don't think anyone needs to be a genius at maths to work out that is simply unfair.

PR would certainly give a fairer outcome on votes cast, but would you lose that affiliation of having a local MP who represents the majority interests of your constituency.

I really liked @Gabriel post as its sensible and more transparent, i agree with it all apart from the wigs bit.

We also have a Government who appear to like centralised control rather than supporting local democracy. Simple things like underfunding local democratic institutions and removal of responsibilities from local government have also led to more centralisation and as the Government is based in London it has led in my opinion to a London centric government which enjoys extra funding and priviliges at the expense of those away from the Westminster bubble. Therefore I would like to see central government accede to have less power and the power be handed to the regions and the leaders such as the Mayors of the big cities who can then act on local needs rather than the focus be on national needs. The Tories to be fair have sort of half arsedly tried with this the Northern powerhouse stuff, but that appears to have slipped from Johnsons agenda as he centralises power. It is ironic that a party who is expected to conserve, centralises but that's for another thread.

As much as I despise Farage, it was grossly unfair on his party that they got no elected representatives for the size of their vote and it is no wonder so many people feel disenfranchised when that happens. So any new system has to take into account votes cast for smaller parties and then I might get a CPGB representative into Parliament

Maybe a way to do this is to scrap the Lords, get rid of the peers and introduce an elected house using PR that has similar powers to what the House of Lords currently has, because any increase in power would threaten the primacy of the Commons. Powers to revise, scrutinise and amend legislation should be the role as it is now but with the added legitimacy of those doing it being elected by the people and not being there because they were somebodies best mate or by accident of birth or a fucking Bishop. A future HoL must represent the views of all the people in the UK even if they are fascists.

Maybe it is time as well to remove the Queen as head of state, it is a palpable nonsense that she has to sign bills for them to become law. She can still do her Queenie stuff if she wants as I haven't really anything against the old bat, but I would much prefer an elected President, elected in a vote not associated with a general election and of no party affiliation.

I would also like to see Parliament itself moved away from London, let Parliament house become a museum and build a modern fit for purpose parliament building with accommodation near a big transport hub, Somewhere like Coventry would fit the bill, but being a proud Northerner why not have it up north and build it in Old Trafford after they knock the swamp down. They could do a property exchange and build the rag cunts a new ground on Parliament Square.

So to end I wrote this other day in another thread and copied and pasted it here in case anybody missed it. Its my thoughts on Parliament as it stands

The UK has a huge democratic deficit, what exists is far too centralised and power rests in the hands of too few people. The HoL is a joke, one of only two parliamentary houses in the world that has unelected clergy sitting as members, the other is Iran.

I actually agree with Cummings, cabinet based government is unwieldly but I don't agree that it is too large.

Local government has been stripped of power and finance, resulting in more centralised decisions and an overwhelming bias towards London.

FTP means Governments can be elected without a majority of votes cast and too many votes are wasted votes, so minority parties are locked out of the political system altogether.

The media exerts far too much political influence as do lobbyists who pay for access to media.

Party funding is a disgrace, hidden donors spend millions to exert influence on politicians

The devolved parliaments are shorn of power and we need a system of federalism otherwise the UK breaks up at some point in the future.

Constituencies can be gerrymandered by the party in power with influence on the boundary commission through the chairmanship of the Speaker and appointed Justices.

We have an unelected head of state, just like Saudi Arabia and North Korea.

MPs are chronically underpaid which means we do not get the best people to do the job.

The HoC is an antiquity that has no place in a modern country, its proceedings are arcane and its rules baffling to those who vote to send representatives to parliament, it should be closed, turned into a museum and a new modern parliament built somewhere in the midlands or the North, away from the City of London, who just happen to have right to send a representative to the HoC to listen to proceedings ffs.

Ministers are not held to account by the 1 question rule, they can evade questions without recourse

Government can bypass Parliament and make announcement regarding policy at press conferences, making them unaccoutable

Vive la revolution

Superb post.
 
I would get rid of local MP’s and just have national ones of less numbers. As an easy example 100 national MPs voted in on national election results ie 42% Tory vote gets 42 MPs etc.... I would have local elections running at the same time split into counties and elect a mayor that has much more control over local issues. These Mayors would not be allowed to be members of a party during the election and whilst in post. They would also get votes on national issues.

The lords world be replaced by a specialist chamber where experts in each appropriate field would sit and discuss government policy and act as a guide to implementation. This would be a part time role paid dependant on time needed. These experts would be nominated from the employees of The relevant industries and services themselves.
 
The Lords is where it needs to start. Full clear out and it needs to be a mix of directly elected Lords on a regional basis and expert appointments that go through selection committees. It should be a full time job with 2 term maximum and have an almost permanent roll of challenging and investigation the working of the HoC and government.
 
1. PR voting in all elections.
2. Reformed Parliament. Every MP to have a desk and chair allocated to them and electronic voting. Abolition of all outdated medieval BS.
3. Elected Senate, to be elected every four years. Replacing H of L.
4. Funding of politics by billionaires and foreign powers to be strictly verboten.
5. "Charities" existing mainly or wholly to lobby politicians to be stripped of charitable status.
6. Political parties to be funded by a) government grant based on per capita votes received at previous GE. b) Membership fees, not exceeding £30 a year. c.) Personal donations from UK taxpayers only not exceeding £100 in any year. All other funding to be illegal.
7. Senior members of Cabinet (PM, Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary) to have a PhD.
8. Regional parliaments (for approx 4-5 million population each). Replacing elements of local government (eg Greater Manchester Mayor), and regional quangos.
9. Primaries - i.e. public get to choose MP candidates in their area.
10. Very strict code of conduct for MPs and Senators. Any breach = perma ban from politics, with prosecution for serious breaches, for example covert dealings with foreign powers, accepting bribes, etc.
 
Can't stand PR.
The British electorate share my opinion too as the referendum for changing the voting system resulted in a crushing defeat for PR.
PR gives smaller parties far too much power for the votes they get. You thus end up with horse trading that results in government policies that the majority didn't vote for.
You also often can't eject the government at an election if the major opposition party gets more more votes and seats than the major government party: The main benefit for FPTP.
There can be issues with a Romanesque dictatorial system as well but I believe these can be improved by simple reform of the upper house. Appointed politicians are disconnected from the electorate. As such, I believe we need a senate electing representatives on vote share. Preferably on rolling vote share with 1/3 of it's members elected at each general election.
 
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As alternatives go, only the Sci-fi novel Starship Troopers by American writer Robert A. Heinlein describes a political system that I think would be a better one, in that ONLY ex military personnel can vote and all military personnel start at the lowest rank and work their way up the ranks based on their abilities.
The precept is that your vote is a dangerous weapon and should only be wielded by ex-military people who have been willing to risk their lives in the past to defend the state and the people living in it.
Incidently as a former military contractor (software developer) for Royal Navy equipment I would also lose the right to vote as I was not risking my life.
 
As alternatives go, only the Sci-fi novel Starship Troopers by American writer Robert A. Heinlein describes a political system that I think would be a better one, in that ONLY ex military personnel can vote and all military personnel start at the lowest rank and work their way up the ranks based on their abilities.
The precept is that your vote is a dangerous weapon and should only be wielded by ex-military people who have been willing to risk their lives in the past to defend the state and the people living in it.
Incidently as a former military contractor (software developer) for Royal Navy equipment I would also lose the right to vote as I was not risking my life.
One of the best books I've ever read - very thought provoking. The films, however, are a let down.
When reading it, a song of the same name (by Yes) also goes through my head.
Sergeant Zim for PM!
 
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I don't think the perfect political system can ever exist, but you can mitigate for extremes.

The UK system evolves as the law evolves, its a natural living entity and in my opinion it is inherently flawed. We rarely get a government elected with over 50% of the votes cast therefore we are nearly always ruled by a minority. We have to mitigate against that minority becoming a tyranny.

I am no expert on this at all, but I have my views and I believe in democracy, I believe the majority should prevail, but we rarely have a majority of the electorate voting for the ruling party. I will take the current government for an example as they were elected on 43.6% of the votes cast yet they have a thumping parliamentary majority of 80 that allows them to act almost unopposed. Since WW2 the largest vote for any party was for the Tories in 1955 who achieved 49.6% of the votes cast but had a majority just 37.

Now I don't think anyone needs to be a genius at maths to work out that is simply unfair.

PR would certainly give a fairer outcome on votes cast, but would you lose that affiliation of having a local MP who represents the majority interests of your constituency.

I really liked @Gabriel post as its sensible and more transparent, i agree with it all apart from the wigs bit.

We also have a Government who appear to like centralised control rather than supporting local democracy. Simple things like underfunding local democratic institutions and removal of responsibilities from local government have also led to more centralisation and as the Government is based in London it has led in my opinion to a London centric government which enjoys extra funding and priviliges at the expense of those away from the Westminster bubble. Therefore I would like to see central government accede to have less power and the power be handed to the regions and the leaders such as the Mayors of the big cities who can then act on local needs rather than the focus be on national needs. The Tories to be fair have sort of half arsedly tried with this the Northern powerhouse stuff, but that appears to have slipped from Johnsons agenda as he centralises power. It is ironic that a party who is expected to conserve, centralises but that's for another thread.

As much as I despise Farage, it was grossly unfair on his party that they got no elected representatives for the size of their vote and it is no wonder so many people feel disenfranchised when that happens. So any new system has to take into account votes cast for smaller parties and then I might get a CPGB representative into Parliament

Maybe a way to do this is to scrap the Lords, get rid of the peers and introduce an elected house using PR that has similar powers to what the House of Lords currently has, because any increase in power would threaten the primacy of the Commons. Powers to revise, scrutinise and amend legislation should be the role as it is now but with the added legitimacy of those doing it being elected by the people and not being there because they were somebodies best mate or by accident of birth or a fucking Bishop. A future HoL must represent the views of all the people in the UK even if they are fascists.

Maybe it is time as well to remove the Queen as head of state, it is a palpable nonsense that she has to sign bills for them to become law. She can still do her Queenie stuff if she wants as I haven't really anything against the old bat, but I would much prefer an elected President, elected in a vote not associated with a general election and of no party affiliation.

I would also like to see Parliament itself moved away from London, let Parliament house become a museum and build a modern fit for purpose parliament building with accommodation near a big transport hub, Somewhere like Coventry would fit the bill, but being a proud Northerner why not have it up north and build it in Old Trafford after they knock the swamp down. They could do a property exchange and build the rag cunts a new ground on Parliament Square.

So to end I wrote this other day in another thread and copied and pasted it here in case anybody missed it. Its my thoughts on Parliament as it stands

The UK has a huge democratic deficit, what exists is far too centralised and power rests in the hands of too few people. The HoL is a joke, one of only two parliamentary houses in the world that has unelected clergy sitting as members, the other is Iran.

I actually agree with Cummings, cabinet based government is unwieldly but I don't agree that it is too large.

Local government has been stripped of power and finance, resulting in more centralised decisions and an overwhelming bias towards London.

FTP means Governments can be elected without a majority of votes cast and too many votes are wasted votes, so minority parties are locked out of the political system altogether.

The media exerts far too much political influence as do lobbyists who pay for access to media.

Party funding is a disgrace, hidden donors spend millions to exert influence on politicians

The devolved parliaments are shorn of power and we need a system of federalism otherwise the UK breaks up at some point in the future.

Constituencies can be gerrymandered by the party in power with influence on the boundary commission through the chairmanship of the Speaker and appointed Justices.

We have an unelected head of state, just like Saudi Arabia and North Korea.

MPs are chronically underpaid which means we do not get the best people to do the job.

The HoC is an antiquity that has no place in a modern country, its proceedings are arcane and its rules baffling to those who vote to send representatives to parliament, it should be closed, turned into a museum and a new modern parliament built somewhere in the midlands or the North, away from the City of London, who just happen to have right to send a representative to the HoC to listen to proceedings ffs.

Ministers are not held to account by the 1 question rule, they can evade questions without recourse

Government can bypass Parliament and make announcement regarding policy at press conferences, making them unaccoutable

Vive la revolution

Great post, I don't like the non politically affiliated elected president idea though.

This Country would turn it into some 2nd rate talent contest, and we'd end up with President Cowell or such like.
 

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