Howard Webb

[Bill]

Completely agree.

The PL need to continue to satisfy its global audience with a product they will pay for knowing full well the clubs supported in the main by them, the sheer amount of money in the game and the PL from prize money to teams, CL qualification and all that brings, certain clubs and players needed to look good for international call ups and all that brings, their agents wanting just that to increase contracts, fees due to them etc and last but not least, the global £Billions gambled on the league.

To suggest that many involved wont do whatever it takes to protect their incomes and positions is naive at best.

exactly. there is proven corruption in Italian and Spanish leagues. in cricket too. anyone thinking the biggest cash cow ever is straight as a die are foolish to the extreme.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I don't think he should be saying it but he's probably not wrong tbh. I guess if I owned Sky, BT, PL rights who would I want to show to get the biggest audiences? I guess we will just have to bide our time before we replace them which could be a while, but it will come, i'm certain of it.

I agree with this.
It was a stupid thing to say, and certainly badly worded.
We know it's why Utd are shown more often than Stoke.

 

[Bill]

wasn't it him that said " a poor united season is bad for the prem, and we can't have that" ?

 

[blueinsa]

I agree with this.
It was a stupid thing to say, and certainly badly worded.
We know it's why Utd are shown more often than Stoke.

I've no issue with a commercial decision to show them every week if thats what they want to do and it makes them more money.

I do have a problem with him intimating he knows the majority want them to win the league but he is having to balance that out by putting on a competition of sorts.

It wasn't badly worded, it was 100% wrong and for me, the cat out of the bag.

@Prestwich_Blue earlier said a reported £300,000 went on Liverpool to not win against Exeter and regardless of how rich you are or how off your head at the time, its not a bet you make unless you are pretty sure of a favourable outcome.

As fans we have no idea how much money is being gambled out in the far east on our games in a market that is murky to say the least.

 

[ancoats]

we all hate webb and his love to fergie and united and BTsport have a him on the tv panel to lick united arss that little bit more than scholes owen rio lick the piss pot rim. you cannot even say the 2 pen we have had turned down was not stone wall unlike utd when its 50/50 its defo pen how on earth did he say that united first goal was stone wall pen when the lad had his back turned and the ball hit his arm its ball to hand and then Newcastle had a stone wall pen turned down

so anything you say webb is bollocks and your better going to mutv that way you would have be never wrong

 

[Silva2021]

It was an horrendous error by the ref and i still think we just have poor officials.

Do i think certain refs are running our league and having an impact on a multi billion pound industry, no i don't.

Media bias yes, thats there for all to see by some journo's

I think it is fairly realistic to expect that in football there have been the odd bent official over time. There is a lot of money in the game and also a lot to be made by giving a small advantage here and there.

To have refs be bent there has to be a reason for it, now betting syndicates are one who could pay to influence a game. It would most likely be a game where they bet on a favourite and so the help is there if needed and if required should not be too much. I would assume the games where a betting syndicate can go undetected are games with large amounts of money already placed on it. I could not see this stopping City receiving penalties, you could argue that it could be a rationale as to why United have had previous dubious ones if you like conspricies (they where probably games that attract a high volume of bets and also usually won there games).

The Premier League does better when United or Liverpool win, so refs are encouraged to give these teams decisions is another people say. The Premier League has done very well by it's unpredictability compared to other teams would they really be involved in this and the risks that would be associated with. Would there not have been a wistle blower (no pun intended) by now, certain refs love the limelight and they would certainly get it in this case.

Facts are in all games there are bad decisions constantly be it match changing or small decisions, it is realistic to assume not all of these decisions are done for personnel gain and mistakes are common place. Add in the fact that 2 rival fans can watch the same game and disagree on so much and when it comes to the disagreements you can bet 90% are where you feel your teams was disadvantaged.

So I would argue that there is little corruption going on in the PL and certainly not aimed at simply stopping Man City.

I would however agree that refs can be influenced, I believe a lot of what is said by certain managers is done with that in mind and simply put they have been in the game long enough to know that it works (or they would have stopped). I believe certain managers dining out with officials before certain high profile games does have an affect and that is obvious and should not happen.

I would not say bent but human error and effected by external factors and this is where City could improve.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Apparently a £300k bet was placed against a Liverpool win (on Betfair I think) before their game at Exeter. Now why would you do that unless you were confident it would come in?

How many clubs have the name of an online betting company on their shirts? (Stoke are effectively owned by Bet365).
Why was a crook like Shinawatra so desperate to buy a PL club?
Why does Jon Moss get a statistically unlikely number of BT games?

Agents, players, bookies, clubs, the TV companies and even the PL all have vested interests in getting outcomes that suit their purpose. It's well documented that any ref who gave a penalty against the rags, didn't ref them again for 12 months, despite that being statistically highly unlikely. And when they did, you could guarantee there would be a penalty or red card in their favour.

It's starting to get depressing, it really is.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The fact that Liverpool played 9 players from the youth academy may of had a influence..

It might but but £300k's worth? When you factor in that the Liverpool goalie let a corner float over his head into the net and said goalie's agent is Key Sports Management, which is owned by John Colquhoun. And that Colquhoun's mate is referee Jon Moss, who was a late replacement for Andre Marriner in the rags cup tie. And someone also put £300k on the rags via Betfair (Betfair wasn't specified for the Liverpool bet but it was for the rags bet).

Now also factor in that in the last 3 seasons, plus the current one so far, the rags league record is P135 W 76 D29 L30. In the last 11 games that Moss has refereed involving them, their record is P11 W10 D1 L0, when statistically you'd expect something like P11 W6 D2 L3. So statistically Moss has been woth 11 points to them in tose 11 games.

And that, with Moss in charge, they got a penalty in the last minute that was far less obvious than ours last night and, had it been us and not given, all the pundits would have said "Well he went down a bit theatrically so you can see why he hasn't given it".

But if you choose to believe that someone punted £300k on a match outcome because a few kids were playing (against a League 2 side) then that's your prerogative.

 

[blueinsa]

It might but but £300k's worth? When you factor in that the Liverpool goalie let a corner float over his head into the net and said goalie's agent is Key Sports Management, which is owned by John Colquhoun. And that Colquhoun's mate is referee Jon Moss, who was a late replacement for Andre Marriner in the rags cup tie. And someone also put £300k on the rags via Betfair (Betfair wasn't specified for the Liverpool bet but it was for the rags bet).

Now also factor in that in the last 3 seasons, plus the current one so far, the rags league record is P135 W 76 D29 L30. In the last 11 games that Moss has refereed involving them, their record is P11 W10 D1 L0, when statistically you'd expect something like P11 W6 D2 L3. So statistically Moss has been woth 11 points to them in tose 11 games.

And that, with Moss in charge, they got a penalty in the last minute that was far less obvious than ours last night and, had it been us and not given, all the pundits would have said "Well he went down a bit theatrically so you can see why he hasn't given it".

But if you choose to believe that someone punted £300k on a match outcome because a few kids were playing (against a League 2 side) then that's your prerogative.

Is that the Jonathan Moss hand picked for games on BT sport by his technical advisor at PGMOL and BT sport commentator, Howard Webb?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Is that the Jonathan Moss hand picked for games on BT sport by his technical advisor at PGMOL and BT sport commentator, Howard Webb?

Now you mention it...