Hughes bites back at unrest rumours

JohnMaddocksAxe said:
I honestly feel that the denial now is part of a 'mananging by numbers' approach and not part of a considered plan to get develop things.

I get the impression that with Hughes, as with many managers, there is a tendency not to answer questions with his own opinions and thoughts but to answer them how he thinks 'a top manager would answer them'. Therefore, when faced with a blunt question of 'is there any unrest' instead of being honst or giving a genuine, heartfelt opinion many managers will think 'Jeez, what's a top manager's response to that question? Well, top manager's are in control, aren't they? They don't have dissent. I'll deny it. That's what Fergie would do, It'll make me look strong'.

Of course, that ignores the fact that many top managers like Jose are very honest with their personal thoughts but many, no, most, lesser managers are obsessed with replicating the cliched version of a powerful manager in control and respond accordingly.

That's what I would see as the driver for this denial now as it's at odds with everything else we see and his own actions.

I'm sorry but that make no sense to me whatsoever, and it totally contradictory. You're saying that all manager's respond in the same way, but when the successful managers do it, it's honest. And when the not so successful ones do it's cliched and copying the successful ones.

And the contradictory part is that over the weekend you were fucking lambasting Hughes for "hanging his players out to dry" after the Forrest game, but Mourinho is "very honest with his personal thoughts". Which I assume is a nice way of saying when he thinks his players are wank he says "they were wank". Which is exactly what Hughes did...

I don't mind people beating Hughes up if they have a valid point...unfortunately the above just comes across like pontificating for the sake of it...
 
these are not measured signings by hughes they are panic buys. the richest club in the world with ambition to be the best doesnt buy craig bellamy to play alongside robinho.

He hasn't.

But I take your point. Surely he won't..............................
 
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Personally I see this as the major factor as to why I don't see him going before the end of the season at the earliest

But why keep him as a dead man walking?

It happened to Ranieri, Grant, Jol, et al - and the owners/clubs NEVER came out of it looking good. Best thing to do is either sack the fucker NOW, this week, OR, back him for 18 months and give him a chance to implement whatever crazy plan he has...

Why let him sign players, then have the new man come in and most probably, fuck them off and have to rebuild again, wasting more money.

This is a fucked up situation we're in and somebody somewhere needs to grow a backbone and MAKE SOME FUCKING DECISIONS...
 
BillyShears said:
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
I honestly feel that the denial now is part of a 'mananging by numbers' approach and not part of a considered plan to get develop things.

I get the impression that with Hughes, as with many managers, there is a tendency not to answer questions with his own opinions and thoughts but to answer them how he thinks 'a top manager would answer them'. Therefore, when faced with a blunt question of 'is there any unrest' instead of being honst or giving a genuine, heartfelt opinion many managers will think 'Jeez, what's a top manager's response to that question? Well, top manager's are in control, aren't they? They don't have dissent. I'll deny it. That's what Fergie would do, It'll make me look strong'.

Of course, that ignores the fact that many top managers like Jose are very honest with their personal thoughts but many, no, most, lesser managers are obsessed with replicating the cliched version of a powerful manager in control and respond accordingly.

That's what I would see as the driver for this denial now as it's at odds with everything else we see and his own actions.

I'm sorry but that make no sense to me whatsoever, and it totally contradictory. You're saying that all manager's respond in the same way, but when the successful managers do it, it's honest. And when the not so successful ones do it's cliched and copying the successful ones.

And the contradictory part is that over the weekend you were fucking lambasting Hughes for "hanging his players out to dry" after the Forrest game, but Mourinho is "very honest with his personal thoughts". Which I assume is a nice way of saying when he thinks his players are wank he says "they were wank". Which is exactly what Hughes did...

I don't mind people beating Hughes up if they have a valid point...unfortunately the above just comes across like pontificating for the sake of it...


No. Perhaps I've not worded it well. I'm supposed to be doing something else other than spout on here.

In general, many limited managers talk in cliches and come out with whatever they think shows them in the best light. It's thier cliched view of the image of a powerful manager, in control. That's why a number/most of them speak in cliches. Adams, McClaren, Curbishley, loads of them do it.

Their view isn't necessarily correct as people like Jose are very honest at times and often divert away from the tired old managerial cliches and stereotypes. By that I don't mean they hang their players out to dry for six months of bad results, they don't get into such n awful position in the first place, I mean they are confident enough to be unfazed by being seen by idiots as not being in control whilst also being confident enough that they are intelligent and quick witted enough to not appear tht way anyway even if they don;t deal in the standard, knee jerk, expected reactions to situations.

Hughes, in my opinion, with this interview is doing nothing other than what the average, limited manager spends half his life doing. Trying to promote an image of him being in control and behaving in the manner of most people's cliched 'powerful manager' stereotype.

No manager admits to having lost his players, therefore he is never going to do so, even if he has. He has hinted at it and most probably leaked a smilar thing but to specifically state it in public is a whole different ball game, even if it shouldn't be. The quotes would come back time and time again and that is not something anyone in his position wants to see in the long term, whether it is to his immediate benefit or not.

The frantic attempt to appear in control is paramount in most manager's minds, apart from the top ones as they are in control and therefore don't have to trot out the tired cliches to appear so. They wouldn't be in a position where they are even being asked this question.

It's not particaularly a criticism of him. Most managers around do it and del only in cliches.

I appeciate I might not be articulating this well. This is a bit of a stream of conciousness at the moment whilst I'm half doing something else.
 
BillyShears said:
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
Personally I see this as the major factor as to why I don't see him going before the end of the season at the earliest

But why keep him as a dead man walking?

It happened to Ranieri, Grant, Jol, et al - and the owners/clubs NEVER came out of it looking good. Best thing to do is either sack the fucker NOW, this week, OR, back him for 18 months and give him a chance to implement whatever crazy plan he has...

Why let him sign players, then have the new man come in and most probably, fuck them off and have to rebuild again, wasting more money.

This is a fucked up situation we're in and somebody somewhere needs to grow a backbone and MAKE SOME FUCKING DECISIONS...

They bottled it in September. In the last few days the likes of Steve Claridge have actually begun to express honest surprise he hasn't been sacked yet. Prior to Christmas it was all "you really have to give him time" and "it's good City's owners are giving....their young British manager time" (vomit). I think the Forrest game has spiked the medias guns, and they'd have a hard time now sustaining any attack on the owners for not giving our young British manager a fair chance. There were a couple of newspaper articles yesterday that (seemed to me anyway) were stating he was on borrowed time without inviting readers to prepare to be outraged at such unreasonable treatment.
 
JohnMaddocksAxe said:
No. Perhaps I've not worded it well. I'm supposed to be doing something else other than spout on here.

In general, many limited managers talk in cliches and come out with whatever they think shows them in the best light. It's thier cliched view of the image of a powerful manager, in control. That's why a number/most of them speak in cliches. Adams, McClaren, Curbishley, loads of them do it.

Their view isn't necessarily correct as people like Jose are very honest at times and often divert away from the tired old managerial cliches and stereotypes. By that I don't mean they hang their players out to dry for six months of bad results, they don't get into such n awful position in the first place, I mean they are confident enough to be unfazed by being seen by idiots as not being in control whilst also being confident enough that they are intelligent and quick witted enough to not appear tht way anyway even if they don;t deal in the standard, knee jerk, expected reactions to situations.

Hughes, in my opinion, with this interview is doing nothing other than what the average, limited manager spends half his life doing. Trying to promote an image of him being in control and behaving in the manner of most people's cliched 'powerful manager' stereotype.

No manager admits to having lost his players, therefore he is never going to do so, even if he has. The frantic attempt to appear in control is paramount in most manager's minds, apart from the top ones as they are in control and therefore don't have to trot out the tired cliches to appear so. They wouldn't be in a position where they are even being asked this question.

It's not particaularly a criticism of him. Most managers around do it and del only in cliches.

I appeciate I might not be articulating this well. This is a bit of a stream of conciousness at the moment whilst I'm half doing something else. I'm not even reading it back.

Fair enough...I think I said yesterday...I don't fucking care about PR...don't care what Hughes or anyone else says to the press...I want to see some action.

Everyone should shut the fuck up, until they have something concrete and unequivocal to say.
 
Brucie Bonus said:
They bottled it in September. In the last few days the likes of Steve Claridge have actually begun to express honest surprise he hasn't been sacked yet. Prior to Christmas it was all "you really have to give him time" and "it's good City's owners are giving....their young British manager time" (vomit). I think the Forrest game has spiked the medias guns, and they'd have a hard time now sustaining any attack on the owners for not giving our young British manager a fair chance. There were a couple of newspaper articles yesterday that (seemed to me anyway) were stating he was on borrowed time without inviting readers to prepare to be outraged at such unreasonable treatment.

Yup, the tide has definitely turned...

I think you're right (i think it was you) in your assessment that ADUG need a man on the ground here who isn't Cook...

As I say, only at City could being the richest club in the world turn into one of the most ridiculous farces in the last couple of decades...
 
BillyShears said:
Brucie Bonus said:
They bottled it in September. In the last few days the likes of Steve Claridge have actually begun to express honest surprise he hasn't been sacked yet. Prior to Christmas it was all "you really have to give him time" and "it's good City's owners are giving....their young British manager time" (vomit). I think the Forrest game has spiked the medias guns, and they'd have a hard time now sustaining any attack on the owners for not giving our young British manager a fair chance. There were a couple of newspaper articles yesterday that (seemed to me anyway) were stating he was on borrowed time without inviting readers to prepare to be outraged at such unreasonable treatment.

Yup, the tide has definitely turned...

I think you're right (i think it was you) in your assessment that ADUG need a man on the ground here who isn't Cook...

They already have one...Simon Pearce

No one takes over a company and not put at least one man in on the ground to keep an eye on things
 
BobKowalski said:
They already have one...Simon Pearce

No one takes over a company and not put at least one man in on the ground to keep an eye on things

Then they fucking need another one because shit keeps happening and nobody seems to be dealing with it....i swear to fucking christ if we end this window with Hughes and his bitches, AND Elano and his cronies at the club I'm buying that ticket to Abu Dhabi and letting the good Sheikh know in no uncertain terms that the way to run a club is simple...at the first sign of trouble...fire everyone in sight and start over...;- )
 
mike o said:
Any of the selling clubs will want to have replacements lined up before they sell their players. Its the same every transfer window.

Its incredibly naive to expect us to have signed 4/5 players within 7 days of the window opening.

Yet another example of fans thinking that the fact that weve got a few bob in the bank means we can dictate to other clubs when we sign their players. Hughes wants value for money and isnt going to be ripped off. If he pays well over the odds for players in this window he sets a precident for future transfers.

I think its a fantastic interview that should put to bed all the nonesense thats been written over the last few days.

THIS !.........HALLELUJAH !

I was starting to despair over the short-sightedness, ignorance and petulance of my fellow Manchester City fans, then this gem of a post popped up to restore some semblance of sanity....

oh, and yes there is an open door policy in place....
 
BillyShears said:
BobKowalski said:
They already have one...Simon Pearce

No one takes over a company and not put at least one man in on the ground to keep an eye on things

Then they fucking need another one because shit keeps happening and nobody seems to be dealing with it....i swear to fucking christ if we end this window with Hughes and his bitches, AND Elano and his cronies at the club I'm buying that ticket to Abu Dhabi and letting the good Sheikh know in no uncertain terms that the way to run a club is simple...at the first sign of trouble...fire everyone in sight and start over...;- )

Now stop it Billy

I can't handle all this agreeing with you...its ruining my street cred :)
 
I used to have a manager with an open door policy. The trouble was with the closed brain policy he also had in place, go into a 1-1 meeting with him and you could literally see the shutters coming down behind his eyes. An open door policy only works if there is a real meaning behind the statement.

This is not a dig at Hughes as I have no idea if he is like my old manager :p
 

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