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hughes had no chance
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droylsdenblue
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1_barry_conlon said:He won 3 titles on the spin at Inter and replaced by Mourinho. Do you think Inter became a laughing stock? Del Bosque did similar at Madrid, don't think they were a laughing stock.
actually he won two...the other one was handed to them because of a drug scandal...but as the op said, Manciti is no mug!
DontLookBackInAnger
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I guess that's the chance you take when you take over a job in a company that's got a change in ownership in the offing. It happens week in week out that a new owner wants to bring his own people in. As for not getting a chance, on that point I will have to disagree with you Bill, since taking over the club there have been many points when they could have canned his ass(West Brom, Notts For, Fulham(last season), the end of last season), yet they didn't.
Indeed, more than that they backed him, like no other manager has been backed before and as the statement from the club reads you spend the kind of money they have a return of 2 wins in 11 is pretty poor. What killed Hughes was the fact that he was never able to get a handle on our away form(the thing that might have cost Sven his job too), but 4 wins in 28 league games away from home tells its own story. That issue ment that progress was never able to be maintained and the momentum that would have occurred obtained. Couple that with the fact that we have drawn games against some of the leagues worst travelers at home, and it's clear that time was running out for him.
On the field, can anyone say that they feel the club is moving forward, when it comes to performances? For whatever reason, a team that looked solid early on has now shipped 9 goals in 3 games(Sunderland had only scored 5 goals away from home this season). Going forward, we seem very hit and miss, indeed yesterdays game was, for me Hughes's career at City in one game at times totally unplayable but sadly for long periods dreadful at the back against a very ordinary foe.
Yes Mark Hughes got us to the SF of the CC-Cup, and I'm not going to diminish that. However, he was helped in large part by a very favourable draw. Still you can only beat what's in front of you and for much too long, that's been City's issue, we haven't been able to. So if we do win the cup this year, it will be in large part, down to Hughes and the work he has done in his time here.
So that leaves us with this, was this move handled well? No not really, but it beats those days in the past under Swales when we would fire people without any clue who we would get to replacement. As it has been said by those that wanted Hughes to be given more time the ownership sees much more than us and clearly the point came when they thought enough was enough and in my book when you spend that kind of money and back the manager to the tune of 200m, they have every right and will get my full backing.
I'm sorry Bill that you feel ashamed to be a blue right now, I hope and trust that it will pass(although the Reid/Horton thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth even after all this time), because whatever else the last 18 months has split the club like nothing I have ever seen, and we are all blues. I for one hope the legacy of Hughes at the club will be one of helping bring the 1st trophy to the club for over 30 years, not keeping the club split the way it has.
Indeed, more than that they backed him, like no other manager has been backed before and as the statement from the club reads you spend the kind of money they have a return of 2 wins in 11 is pretty poor. What killed Hughes was the fact that he was never able to get a handle on our away form(the thing that might have cost Sven his job too), but 4 wins in 28 league games away from home tells its own story. That issue ment that progress was never able to be maintained and the momentum that would have occurred obtained. Couple that with the fact that we have drawn games against some of the leagues worst travelers at home, and it's clear that time was running out for him.
On the field, can anyone say that they feel the club is moving forward, when it comes to performances? For whatever reason, a team that looked solid early on has now shipped 9 goals in 3 games(Sunderland had only scored 5 goals away from home this season). Going forward, we seem very hit and miss, indeed yesterdays game was, for me Hughes's career at City in one game at times totally unplayable but sadly for long periods dreadful at the back against a very ordinary foe.
Yes Mark Hughes got us to the SF of the CC-Cup, and I'm not going to diminish that. However, he was helped in large part by a very favourable draw. Still you can only beat what's in front of you and for much too long, that's been City's issue, we haven't been able to. So if we do win the cup this year, it will be in large part, down to Hughes and the work he has done in his time here.
So that leaves us with this, was this move handled well? No not really, but it beats those days in the past under Swales when we would fire people without any clue who we would get to replacement. As it has been said by those that wanted Hughes to be given more time the ownership sees much more than us and clearly the point came when they thought enough was enough and in my book when you spend that kind of money and back the manager to the tune of 200m, they have every right and will get my full backing.
I'm sorry Bill that you feel ashamed to be a blue right now, I hope and trust that it will pass(although the Reid/Horton thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth even after all this time), because whatever else the last 18 months has split the club like nothing I have ever seen, and we are all blues. I for one hope the legacy of Hughes at the club will be one of helping bring the 1st trophy to the club for over 30 years, not keeping the club split the way it has.
OxBlue
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AARRGGGHHHH!!!
De Niro, I have to disagree with you on this, ashamed to be a blue..the only thing causing me shame at the moment is the number of fans posting and calling in to phone ins at the moment.
Both
The Hughes Outers...who are saying we should be top 4, challenging for the title and beating everyone around, making us look like impatient children who want it all now, now now and not the loyal fans we really are
The Hughes Inners...who are agreeing with the media who are ripping us a new one, saying that our owners know nothing about football and we're ruining football single handedly.
I'm starting a new group, it's for those who want to support the manager, players, clubs and fellow fans, keep the gallows humour that we're known for and loyalty... haven't got a name yet, might just stick with "City Fans"
De Niro, I have to disagree with you on this, ashamed to be a blue..the only thing causing me shame at the moment is the number of fans posting and calling in to phone ins at the moment.
Both
The Hughes Outers...who are saying we should be top 4, challenging for the title and beating everyone around, making us look like impatient children who want it all now, now now and not the loyal fans we really are
The Hughes Inners...who are agreeing with the media who are ripping us a new one, saying that our owners know nothing about football and we're ruining football single handedly.
I'm starting a new group, it's for those who want to support the manager, players, clubs and fellow fans, keep the gallows humour that we're known for and loyalty... haven't got a name yet, might just stick with "City Fans"
OxBlue said:AARRGGGHHHH!!!
De Niro, I have to disagree with you on this, ashamed to be a blue..the only thing causing me shame at the moment is the number of fans posting and calling in to phone ins at the moment.
Both
The Hughes Outers...who are saying we should be top 4, challenging for the title and beating everyone around, making us look like impatient children who want it all now, now now and not the loyal fans we really are
The Hughes Inners...who are agreeing with the media who are ripping us a new one, saying that our owners know nothing about football and we're ruining football single handedly.
I'm starting a new group, it's for those who want to support the manager, players, clubs and fellow fans, keep the gallows humour that we're known for and loyalty... haven't got a name yet, might just stick with "City Fans"
Fucking hell, you summed up my entire feelings in a post.
Count me in to this "City fans" group. Never know, might take off around here.
Blue Si O.B
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HUGHES OUT!!!!...............................................................................................................oh wait.
ChesterRdBlue
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Craig said:ChesterRdBlue said:We had a very winable run of games which included Wigan, Fulham, Birmingham, Burnley, Hull nad Bolton and we picked up 6 points, simply not good enough and the board acted whilst they had the chance to rescue it. He was given the chance in that if he had won some of those games we'd be in a better position and he wouldn't have been sacked. Added to that I personally thought we were going backwards in the last few games and think the board were correct in their statement by saying "Sheikh Mansour and the Board felt that there was no evidence that the situation would fundamentally change".
Well we hardly looked like we'd gone backwards yesterday,ok we defended poorly but we looked miles better going forward and Hughes finally had the players he wanted who had the fight in them to win the games that we had been drawing.We will never know because he didn't get a fair chance.
Look at fergie and utd and don't say well he never spent as much money because he spent shitloads but it takes TIME.
We were far from amazing yesterday and the fact we can beat teams like Chelsea and draw against dross is another nail in Hughes' coffin for me. He has had his chance and failed, for every Ferguson there is a Ramos, sometimes it takes balls from the board to say enough is enough and make the change before it becomes too late. We could have hung on until after the semis, by that time we could have been out of that, not that winning that would save Hughes IMO, be further adrift in the league and another transfer window come and gone. The board feel the time was right and I do also.
cleavers
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Damocles said:In the statement, they alluded to the fact that we put more investment in in the summer than planned, and thusly raised the game. Hughes would have agreed to this.
They said this at the start of the season Damocles. "Top 6" was the target they started with at the end of last season, but either Cook or Khaldoon said that they had accelerated the spending because MH said there was never likely to be a better time to break into the top 4.
If I could be bothered I'd go back through the mcfc.co.uk and find the statement from August.
I don't agree with de niro, MH was sacked because results weren't good enough, nothing more, nothing less, and despite those that claimed we were making progress, for the second season running we had a great start, and then went backwards.
In my opinion he shouldn't have survived beyond last christmas when we lost at West Brom, but they gave him time, they also gave him "his" team, and yet we still weren't beating the poorer sides in the league, and the defeat at Spurs was abysmal, not because it was a defeat to one of our rivals for top 4, but because it was just a dreadfully disjointed mess, and on the night we made a very average Spurs look good. In 18 months he's won 4 away games, that simply is not good enough, for the money spent.
Its a shame because we are now back at square one having effectively wasted 18 months. Fortunately Mancini takes over a fabulous squad that should need very little doing to it, and hopefull he won't need to make wholescale changes.
For me the biggist problem was that he didn't employ the best people around him, he could have picked from the worlds best, and in all honesty I don't think anyone could claim Bowen and co were that, not even MH.
Its time to move on and get behind the club.
cleavers
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Damocles said:OxBlue said:AARRGGGHHHH!!!
De Niro, I have to disagree with you on this, ashamed to be a blue..the only thing causing me shame at the moment is the number of fans posting and calling in to phone ins at the moment.
Both
The Hughes Outers...who are saying we should be top 4, challenging for the title and beating everyone around, making us look like impatient children who want it all now, now now and not the loyal fans we really are
The Hughes Inners...who are agreeing with the media who are ripping us a new one, saying that our owners know nothing about football and we're ruining football single handedly.
I'm starting a new group, it's for those who want to support the manager, players, clubs and fellow fans, keep the gallows humour that we're known for and loyalty... haven't got a name yet, might just stick with "City Fans"
Fucking hell, you summed up my entire feelings in a post.
Count me in to this "City fans" group. Never know, might take off around here.
Count me in too.
As for the hypocrite media, don't bother with it, they were only to happy to help create the crisis until yesterday, when they suddenly found they had a new angle. F**k them.
bluebandits
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With Deniro on this one. There is a way to get rid of someone and that doesnt include telling the manager he is being replaced and insisting he takes charge on 1 more game. Add to that, Brian Kidd is sat on the same row as Leslies wife and she knows he is the new assistant manager. Gary Cock is nowhere to be seen when the announcement is made! This smacks of non football people making decisions and going about it in the complete wrong way. I have been watching the Blues since '68 but the last 10 years we have treated our managers pretty shabbily. I will support the new man but I think we have gone down in a lot of neutrals estimations