I am voting Labour next ....talk me out of it.

[Mr Kobayashi]

Don’t think that response is very fair. Like all things it’s a band around the average. It’s explained in the response where the problem is and that’s with hard left and right having too much of a voice. To me they should be forced to split from the party, Labour and Conservatives for that matter would be much better without them.

As for Rayner if she is soft left then I worry. She’s definitely a Corbynite even though she doesn’t like to admit it and by her own admission is staunchly socialist. She loves the us and them narrative which is divisive and hardly in line with being in a position of power.

Much of this post is based on a false premise.

Angela Rayner describes herself as a socialist. So what, it's a loose term. Bernie Sanders is also a socialist.

A corbynista?

She has strongly criticised former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, as he "did not command the respect of the party", and critiqued his lack of "discipline" when it came to dealing with allegations of antisemitism.

The hard left do not get prominent coverage.

Corbyn's coverage was overwhelming negative despite his policies mirroring things that are mainstream in France and Germany (public investment banks, publicly owned companies operated independently of government).

How can you place equal blame on the hard left when they have never held the keys to power outside of Liverpool City Council?

We already had parties converge towards the centre in 2010 and 2015. Fuck load of good it did us.

 

[Cricket Blue]

I don't have an issue in voting for Stramer, but the Labour shadow cabinet does not fill me with any confidence at all.
I will likely abstain again, they are all a disgrace.

 

[Kompany Car]

Much of this post is based on a false premise.

Angela Rayner describes herself as a socialist. So what, it's a loose term. Bernie Sanders is also a socialist.

A corbynista?

She has strongly criticised former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, as he "did not command the respect of the party", and critiqued his lack of "discipline" when it came to dealing with allegations of antisemitism.

The hard left do not get prominent coverage.

Corbyn's coverage was overwhelming negative despite his policies mirroring things that are mainstream in France and Germany (public investment banks, publicly owned companies operated independently of government).

How can you place equal blame on the hard left when they have never held the keys to power outside of Liverpool City Council?

We already had parties converge towards the centre in 2010 and 2015. Fuck load of good it did us.

So socialism is a lose term like Centrist then, OK got that.

Its not blame, it’s allowing them a voice to influence the principles of the party, extreme views on either side of the political divide should be shut down as it fails to serve the vast majority of the electorate.

As regards we had convergence towards the centre and it didn’t work, you can make that argument for all political ideologies, whether that be under Thatcher, Blair, Johnson or even Wilson.

There needs to be some common sense applied and that means ripping everything up and sudden changes of tact need to stop. It needs to be done progressively, do things at a whim and you end up with complete fuck ups like what Truss managed to do.
Whether we like it or not the world is controlled by the financial markets and without their backing you are hamstrung. One thing they don’t like is sudden shocks, so sticking two fingers up to what’s gone before and a complete about face, regardless of if it’s the right thing to do is the wrong approach.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So socialism is a lose term like Centrist then, OK got that.

Not quite the same. But to elaborate, there is a prominent poster on here who is actually closer to Stalinism Statist commmunism, but still calls himself a socialist.

People may claim to be socialist, or label others socialist MAGA Republicans claiming Joe Biden was a socialist but that doesn't make it true.

What socialism actually means is workers having control of production, by that definition even Corbyn and McDonnell weren't socialists as they never proposed such policies.

 

[Kompany Car]

Not quite the same. But to elaborate, there is a prominent poster on here who is actually closer to Stalinism Statist commmunism, but still calls himself a socialist.

People may claim to be socialist, or label others socialist MAGA Republicans claiming Joe Biden was a socialist but that doesn't make it true.

What socialism actually means is workers having control of production, by that definition even Corbyn and McDonnell weren't socialists as they never proposed such policies.

Im aware what the definition of socialism is, so why describe yourself as a socialist as Rayner did ? Why not say you believe in social democracy rather than socialism.

What most normal Labour voters want is a social democracy or social liberalism, what they get is socially democratic ideas mixed with stronger socialist principles to pander to the hard left.

The conservatives are no better by the way by having policies around immigration and deportation to Rwanda which are there for the hard right of the party.

 

[BrianW]

I think my position is Scandanavian Capitalist. My model template for the country is to be like Denmark.

This means that to some people I am a raving, far-left Socialist. While to others I am not a Socialist at all. It's very confusing.

I do not want us to be like the USA, no way. Nor do I want us to be like East Germany.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Or to turn the question on its head - do Ministers of this quality persuade you to vote Tory?

This is the lunatic that they rolled out to champion Trussuneconomics. Absolute sleaze of a plantpot.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is the lunatic that they rolled out to champion Trussuneconomics. Absolute sleaze of a plantpot.

He is on about paying HMRC your taxes look him up - he has a trail of failed businesses most who collapsed owing the taxman - one of them over £500k - how he keeps a straight face is beyond me

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

He is on about paying HMRC your taxes look him up - he has a trail of failed businesses most who collapsed owing the taxman - one of them over £500k - how he keeps a straight face is beyond me

He’s a Tory shill, paid there to take the brunt and lie to people.

Why, oh why, do we allow this to happen?

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I stopped reading when you said you were a Thatcherite haha. I’d carry on supporting the Cons if I were you. They’re doing a great job

Of fucking up the UK.

 

[bluethrunthru]

He’s a Tory shill, paid there to take the brunt and lie to people.

Why, oh why, do we allow this to happen?

It will continue until they invent TV where we can slap the cunts across the face as they lie

 

[El_george]

OK,

Since 1971 I have always voted for the Conservative party, a Margaret Thatcher fan (Although she did have her faults), but I am now totally disillusioned with this shower of s

t who go from crisis to crisis,( I do have a certain amount of sympathy with them because they did have covid19 to deal with, which must have been a nightmare)...but now I have had enough.

Liz Truss and that idiotic chancellor was the last straw.

Now I know Starmer is rather bland and doesn't seem to come up with any policies. just criticise the Tories all the time and I used to hate Angela Rayner but I am coming round to thinking she is OK, talks a lot of sense, even though she lets her mouth get carried away a bit, but time for a new broom?

Thoughts?

Two words: Angela Rayner (your first observation was the correct one).

Kier Starmer should have moved her aside.... he tried, but somehow she ended up with more jobs & more power! I don't know how. But it made him look weak and that is not a good characteristic for a so-called 'leader'.

That recording of her calling people who support the Tories 'scum' will come back to haunt the Labour Party in the future - a bit like how Gordon Brown got caught out calling a member of the public a bigot, just because she wasn't quite as 'liberal' as he wanted.

Plus, at the end of the day people want control of "our borders, our laws and our money" - the Tories have totally billhooksed up all three so far, but mainly due to lefty lawyers and judges and civil servants sticking their noses in, which at the end of the day the Tories will use to get back into power. So you might as well just vote for them anyway, as otherwise your vote is wasted.

Although if Sunak and in particular Braverman don't get things sorted in the next 18 months, I will probably not vote at all, which I am really loathed to admit. But the system is totally messed up and I am pretty fed up with the whole bl00dy thing.

 

[Scottyboi]

Two words: Angela Rayner (your first observation was the correct one).

Kier Starmer should have moved her aside.... he tried, but somehow she ended up with more jobs & more power! I don't know how. But it made him look weak and that is not a good characteristic for a so-called 'leader'.

That recording of her calling people who support the Tories as 'scum' will come back to haunt the Labour Party in the future - a bit like how Gordon Brown got caught out calling a member of the public a bigot, just because she wasn't quite as 'liberal' as he wanted.

Plus, at the end of the day people want control of "our borders, our laws and our money" - the Tories have totally billhooksed up all three so far, but mainly due to lefty lawyers and judges and civil servants sticking their noses in, which at the end of the day the Tories will use to get back into power. So you might as well just vote for them anyway, as otherwise your vote is wasted.

Although if Sunak and in particular Braverman don't get things sorted in the next 18 months, I will probably not vote at all, which I am really loathed to admitt. But the system is totally messed up and I am totally fed up with the whole bl00dy thing.

GB news on alot in your house? Lefty lawyers lmao you mean people protecting the rights of fellow human beings? So bitter.

 

[El_george]

GB news on alot in your house? Lefty lawyers lmao you mean people protecting the rights of fellow human beings? So bitter.

Read this and get back to me.....

"In the early hours of March 12, 2022, Thomas Roberts had his beautiful young life taken from him. Aged just 21, Thomas, a part-time DJ with aspirations to join the Royal Marines, intervened to try and calm down a fight in Bournemouth town centre over an e-scooter. He was stabbed in the heart and the stomach by Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai. The asylum seeker was convicted this week of Thomas’s murder and, although Abdulrahimzai did indeed deliver the fatal wounds, it was the Home Office which was and is responsible for Tom Roberts’s appalling and unnecessary death, I believe.

The Home Office and the militantly-compassionate cadre of refugee charities and lawyers who think that the human rights of Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai are far more important than, say, the safety of British citizens like Thomas Roberts.

When he arrived in Dorset on a ferry from Cherbourg on Boxing Day 2019, Abdulrahimzai told the authorities that he was a 14-year-old orphan from Afghanistan. In fact, the drug dealer was well over 18 and had already been sentenced to 20 years in a Serbian jail (in his absence) for murdering two fellow migrants with a Kalashnikov. A few weeks before this charming fellow came to the UK, an asylum claim he made in Norway had been very sensibly rejected by the authorities there.

No such good sense was to be found among our own hapless Border Force. They waved the convicted murderer into the country as a “child”. Immigration officials don’t appear to have believed that Abdulrahimzai was a young teenager but, under Home Office rules, they had to give him the benefit of the doubt. He could only be treated as an adult if his physical appearance and demeanour “strongly suggested” he was 25 or over. He was admitted to the care of a foster mother who soon noticed a propensity for violence and a worrying fondness for knives, which he seemed to believe he had the right to carry. Never mind that scary detail, he would officially be regarded as a child until a thorough “Merton” test of his age could be carried out by expert social workers.

You can guess what happened next. This deeply dangerous individual, supported by do-gooding immigration lawyers, “messed around” officials and failed to attend interviews. There was a considerable delay in the submission of Abdulrahimzai’s statement of evidence to support his asylum claim.

A test to evaluate his true age was only carried out in February 2022, more than two years after Abdulrahimzai’s arrival in England and just a month before he killed poor Thomas. Meanwhile, he was given a place at a secondary school in Bournemouth where the kids were said to be terrified of him.

How many more are there in this country like Abdulrahimzai, ticking timebombs who could so easily destroy the lives of innocent people? With the surge in small boats arriving on the Kent coast (65,000 migrants are predicted to cross the Channel in 2023), and the almost inevitable destruction of personal documents, there has been a big rise in the number of unaccompanied “child” refugees. Home Office data shows there were 1,696 cases where the age of the child migrant was called into question in the year to September 2021. Of those, 1,118 – or 66 per cent – were found to be 18 or older. According to the Home Office, between 2012 and 2021 some 52 asylum seekers claiming to be children were later found to be 30 years old or more. Thirty! Bearded and balding kids, welcome to the United Kingdom; please step this way!"

The Home Office must stop wringing its hands and start protecting its own citizens

Yet again, the wishes of the silent majority are overruled by the claims of a vocal minority cynically commanding preferential treatment

www.telegraph.co.uk

There is 'protecting the rights of fellow human beings' and it's a laudable aim, but the first and most important job of a Government is to protect the country and the people within it. That isn't happening. Norway rejected this person and so should we have.

P.S. It is good we now have GB News and indeed TalkTV as there needed to be some balance to the onslaught of 'PC' news from the BBC and Channel 4.

 

[Scottyboi]

Read this and get back to me.....

"In the early hours of March 12, 2022, Thomas Roberts had his beautiful young life taken from him. Aged just 21, Thomas, a part-time DJ with aspirations to join the Royal Marines, intervened to try and calm down a fight in Bournemouth town centre over an e-scooter. He was stabbed in the heart and the stomach by Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai. The asylum seeker was convicted this week of Thomas’s murder and, although Abdulrahimzai did indeed deliver the fatal wounds, it was the Home Office which was and is responsible for Tom Roberts’s appalling and unnecessary death, I believe.

The Home Office and the militantly-compassionate cadre of refugee charities and lawyers who think that the human rights of Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai are far more important than, say, the safety of British citizens like Thomas Roberts.

When he arrived in Dorset on a ferry from Cherbourg on Boxing Day 2019, Abdulrahimzai told the authorities that he was a 14-year-old orphan from Afghanistan. In fact, the drug dealer was well over 18 and had already been sentenced to 20 years in a Serbian jail (in his absence) for murdering two fellow migrants with a Kalashnikov. A few weeks before this charming fellow came to the UK, an asylum claim he made in Norway had been very sensibly rejected by the authorities there.

No such good sense was to be found among our own hapless Border Force. They waved the convicted murderer into the country as a “child”. Immigration officials don’t appear to have believed that Abdulrahimzai was a young teenager but, under Home Office rules, they had to give him the benefit of the doubt. He could only be treated as an adult if his physical appearance and demeanour “strongly suggested” he was 25 or over. He was admitted to the care of a foster mother who soon noticed a propensity for violence and a worrying fondness for knives, which he seemed to believe he had the right to carry. Never mind that scary detail, he would officially be regarded as a child until a thorough “Merton” test of his age could be carried out by expert social workers.

You can guess what happened next. This deeply dangerous individual, supported by do-gooding immigration lawyers, “messed around” officials and failed to attend interviews. There was a considerable delay in the submission of Abdulrahimzai’s statement of evidence to support his asylum claim.

A test to evaluate his true age was only carried out in February 2022, more than two years after Abdulrahimzai’s arrival in England and just a month before he killed poor Thomas. Meanwhile, he was given a place at a secondary school in Bournemouth where the kids were said to be terrified of him.

How many more are there in this country like Abdulrahimzai, ticking timebombs who could so easily destroy the lives of innocent people? With the surge in small boats arriving on the Kent coast (65,000 migrants are predicted to cross the Channel in 2023), and the almost inevitable destruction of personal documents, there has been a big rise in the number of unaccompanied “child” refugees. Home Office data shows there were 1,696 cases where the age of the child migrant was called into question in the year to September 2021. Of those, 1,118 – or 66 per cent – were found to be 18 or older. According to the Home Office, between 2012 and 2021 some 52 asylum seekers claiming to be children were later found to be 30 years old or more. Thirty! Bearded and balding kids, welcome to the United Kingdom; please step this way!"

The Home Office must stop wringing its hands and start protecting its own citizens

Yet again, the wishes of the silent majority are overruled by the claims of a vocal minority cynically commanding preferential treatment

www.telegraph.co.uk

There is 'protecting the rights of fellow human beings' and its a laudible aim, but the first and most important job of a Government is to protect the country and the people within it. That isn't happening. Norway rejected this person and so should we have.

P.S. It is good we now have GB News and indeed TalkTV as there needed to be some balance to the onslaught of 'PC' news from the BBC and Channel 4.

Ahh the government in which border force went on strike, the underfunded shitshow of our asylum process which allows scum like him to attend school and go on to kill.

I'd say it's fuck all to do with lefty lawyers and everything to do with the government. But it's easier to blame those you didn't vote for so you don't have to take any responsibility for helping the tories be in power in the first place.

 

[El_george]

Ahh the government in which border force went on strike, the underfunded shitshow of our asylum process which allows scum like him to attend school and go on to kill.

I'd say it's fuck all to do with lefty lawyers and everything to do with the government. But it's easier to blame those you didn't vote for so you don't have to take any responsibility for helping the tories be in power in the first place.

Norway rejected this criminal, we accepted him. When I say 'we' was it the government or their minions?

When Norway rejected him, was it the Norway government, or their minions?

I don't know - I don't want to fall out with a fellow blue, I am just really fed up right now.

I don't even think I will vote in the next G.E. and that upsets me too bearing in mind that in history people fought for the vote & yet I ask what is the point? because they are all as bad as each other, in modern times.

P.S. When you say "...it's fuck all to do with lefty lawyers and everything to do with the government" how do you account for the Rwanda plan situation? That is clearly a policy that government wanted (and wants) to implement, but who and what has stopped it from happening?

 

[christened at st marks]

It's a rag song

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Norway rejected this criminal, we accepted him. When I say 'we' was it the government or their minions?

When Norway rejected him, was it the Norway government, or their minions?

I don't know - I don't want to fall out with a fellow blue, I am just really fed up right now.

I don't even think I will vote in the next G.E. and that upsets me too bearing in mind that in history people fought for the vote & yet I ask what is the point? because they are all as bad as each other, in modern times.

P.S. When you say "...it's fuck all to do with lefty lawyers and everything to do with the government" how do you account for the Rwanda plan situation? That is clearly a policy that government wanted (and wants) to implement, but who and what has stopped it from happening?

I believe the answer to this is..

You're nuts.

No need for an hour of your time on the chaise lounge.

That will be £100, please.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The Tory voters remind me of the Rags, not interested when it’s all going wrong but out in force when there’s chance of a resurgence.

 

[oldius]

Norway rejected this criminal, we accepted him. When I say 'we' was it the government or their minions?

When Norway rejected him, was it the Norway government, or their minions?

I don't know - I don't want to fall out with a fellow blue, I am just really fed up right now.

I don't even think I will vote in the next G.E. and that upsets me too bearing in mind that in history people fought for the vote & yet I ask what is the point? because they are all as bad as each other, in modern times.

P.S. When you say "...it's fuck all to do with lefty lawyers and everything to do with the government" how do you account for the Rwanda plan situation? That is clearly a policy that government wanted (and wants) to implement, but who and what has stopped it from happening?

The law. What is happening, or has happened, is that the government deliberately announces policy that they believe will court the opinion of their hard-core support (immigration issues are very popular) without prior legal consideration. When the action fails, as they knew it would, their media friends heap the blame on the woke snowflakes and lefty lawyers, whipping their support into yet another frenzy of hate. Only recently, in the Select Committee meeting, Suella was forced to admit that there are no safe and legal routes to arrive in the UK. This is deliberate. Therefore, everyone arriving is illegal and up for demonising. Just open the safe and legal routes and properly process asylum claims - it isn't that difficult - unless you fear the golf club captains and ladies of the institutes.