Identity Politics

[Fame Monster]

They may be able to do so if their history is taught in schools so they gain and understanding of what happened and what they then may be able to do about it. Its basically something tacked on to the school curriculum for a month each year - not sure how in depth the education is in the States but again they have a month for it there too - in neither case is it comprehensive and I am not sure what, in our case, it does to teach about colonialism in places like India.

This is an interesting link to read. Cancel culture is not new and has been practised across the globe by white colonialists for centuries

Black History Month - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

'Their history'?

Are you implying they're not British?

The majority of black schoolchildren in this country are British and British history is definitely taught on the curriculum.

 

[Ban-jani]

'Their history'?

Are you implying they're not British?

The majority of black schoolchildren in this country are British and British history is definitely taught on the curriculum.

Black people born here are just as British as me.

They may not be ethnically Anglo Saxon but people of that descent do not have a monopoly on Britishness.

It’s a citizenship issue and what the guy you’ve replied to has posted is pretty poor form, but not unexpected.

 

[bluethrunthru]

'Their history'?

Are you implying they're not British?

The majority of black schoolchildren in this country are British and British history is definitely taught on the curriculum.

I was referring to their long gone history - families in Africa torn apart and sold off - I can trace my ancestry back about 300 years depending on which side and I know we have descendants who came over here from Ireland ( North and South )- Germany, Malta and I know where we have distant relatives in those countries but, as a for instance, I have a mixed race nephew born in Manchester to a Mancunian so he is British as is his Dad - his nan was Jamaican but her roots aren't from there and her descendants come " from Africa". No idea where, no idea f there is any tribal or family connections but pretty damn certain they didn't decide to take a trip to the West Indies some time in the past. Likewise a friend from Preston - she is English as are her kids. Her dad was from Tobago and her mum from Dominica - similar back story.

And that was the answer to the original question - a glib "why don't they direct their ire to the people who sold or enslaved them" - fact is they don't know who that is - history for them only goes so far back at which time they know their ancestors were enslaved on a sugar plantation. Nobody teaches them black history - all records are erased.

You and I through records can trace our lineage back - you and I can know what they were doing for a job what they were involved and the significance of dates like 1805 and 1815.

 

[blueinsa]

I was referring to their long gone history - families in Africa torn apart and sold off - I can trace my ancestry back about 300 years depending on which side and I know we have descendants who came over here from Ireland ( North and South )- Germany, Malta and I know where we have distant relatives in those countries but, as a for instance, I have a mixed race nephew born in Manchester to a Mancunian so he is British as is his Dad - his nan was Jamaican but her roots aren't from there and her descendants come " from Africa". No idea where, no idea f there is any tribal or family connections but pretty damn certain they didn't decide to take a trip to the West Indies some time in the past. Likewise a friend from Preston - she is English as are her kids. Her dad was from Tobago and her mum from Dominica - similar back story.

And that was the answer to the original question - a glib "why don't they direct their ire to the people who sold or enslaved them" - fact is they don't know who that is - history for them only goes so far back at which time they know their ancestors were enslaved on a sugar plantation. Nobody teaches them black history - all records are erased.

You and I through records can trace our lineage back - you and I can know what they were doing for a job what they were involved and the significance of dates like 1805 and 1815.

Is this an online application for a job at ancestory.co.uk?

 

[Fame Monster]

I was referring to their long gone history - families in Africa torn apart and sold off - I can trace my ancestry back about 300 years depending on which side and I know we have descendants who came over here from Ireland ( North and South )- Germany, Malta and I know where we have distant relatives in those countries but, as a for instance, I have a mixed race nephew born in Manchester to a Mancunian so he is British as is his Dad - his nan was Jamaican but her roots aren't from there and her descendants come " from Africa". No idea where, no idea f there is any tribal or family connections but pretty damn certain they didn't decide to take a trip to the West Indies some time in the past. Likewise a friend from Preston - she is English as are her kids. Her dad was from Tobago and her mum from Dominica - similar back story.

And that was the answer to the original question - a glib "why don't they direct their ire to the people who sold or enslaved them" - fact is they don't know who that is - history for them only goes so far back at which time they know their ancestors were enslaved on a sugar plantation. Nobody teaches them black history - all records are erased.

You and I through records can trace our lineage back - you and I can know what they were doing for a job what they were involved and the significance of dates like 1805 and 1815.

Only a fraction of black people were slaves though so when you say to a black person, 'this is your history', you are racially stereotyping them. At the same time, you deny them a sense of British history when you say 'this is my history, not yours'. It's a bit like the old Bernard Manning line, 'if a dog is born in a stable does it make it a horse?'

We need to stop judging people on the colour of their skin and teach people about the history of the country in which they live and the historically important events that shaped Britain. Saying 'that's your history (victim) and this is my history (oppressor)' is not only racial stereotyping: it's reinforcing existing divisions that are tearing society apart.

 

[Silva_Spell]

US Government to ban the religion of critical race theory.
Sadly Biden will probably reinstate it next year

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

some common sense, though more needs to be done.

Changes to gender recognition laws ruled out

Ministers decide existing laws are adequate to help trans people have their gender legally recognised.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Damocles]

This is a phrase I hear a lot, it is often attributed to the liberal left who it appears in a majority of peoples thoughts to be a bad thing.

I am not of the liberal left, liberal right or liberal centre because I am not a liberal, although I do believe some socially liberal causes are fair and just such as legalising gay marriage and a woman's right to chose what she does with her body.


The question is what do you think Identity politics is and why are you either for or against it?

Identity politics is an irrational and inconsistent form of argument used by authoritarians who cannot justify their ideas on society in a logical manner and instead use the human instinct for tribalism, as well as exploiting the instincts for compassion, in order to push through their authoritarian ways by the backdoor whilst repeating their mantra of "justice" or some other subjective and ethereal term. Identity politics also seems an inevitable consequence of any democracy.

The "evidence" for their policies is non-existent, their reading of history is cherry picked and biased, and they hook lesser minds onto them by repeating myths, half truths and cliches.

Identity politics are the cancer that has killed Western society to the point that there is naught left but ash and resin.