If you were a Gunner, would you be happy with Wenger?

[TTS]

Premier League
Winners:
1997-98, 2001-02, 2003-04
Runners Up:
1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2004-05

UEFA Champions League
Runners Up:
2005-06

UEFA Cup
Runners Up:
1999-00

F.A Cup
Winners:
1998, 2002, 2003, 2005
Runners Up:
2001

League Cup
Runners Up:
2007

F.A Community Shield
Winners:
1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

I'd be pretty happy.

And that settles that!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Premier League
Winners:
1997-98, 2001-02, 2003-04
Runners Up:
1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2004-05

UEFA Champions League
Runners Up:
2005-06

UEFA Cup
Runners Up:
1999-00

F.A Cup
Winners:
1998, 2002, 2003, 2005
Runners Up:
2001

League Cup
Runners Up:
2007

F.A Community Shield
Winners:
1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

I'd be pretty happy.

You'd be even more as his chairman knowing he's achieved all that without spending ANY money.

Seriously, their net spend on players over the past 5 years is virtually nought. He has bought and sold at a profit and used the profits to buy more.

He (wenger) is a model manager in many ways. Apart from being French, obviously.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Wenger is "bonused" on payment of their new stadium. It's in his financial interest to run Arsenal at a profit, so winning trophies isn't his immediate aim.

 

[GTKirchoff]

If they had a good goal keeper, even Hart on loan for fucks sake.
Had two decent back up keepers.
Signed Tevez.

I honestly think they would be in for the treble right now and would've beaten Barca over both legs. The above would set them back between 30-40 million depending on the quality of the back up.

Hindishgt is wonderful though.

They wouldn't have beaten Barca at all. Even Real Madrid who spent 200-300 million on the world's best won't beat Barca on Saturday.

Look at the leg, if they had a good goal keeper they wouldn't have conceded Ibra's first. Messi's first shot despite its power was very close to the keeper, I imagine that could've been saved. Might have saved some of Messi's others too.
Two decent back up centre halves, wouldn't have had to move Song back or risk Gallas. In the second leg wouldn't have conceded the first goal, or Messi's third.
Tevez over both legs would've almost certainly scored more than Bentdner never mind the extra defensive work he would do.

Don't listen to ITV, Barca weren't all that bar the first half of the first leg. The rest was just Arsenal falling apart.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:33 am --<br /><br />

You'd be even more as his chairman knowing he's achieved all that without spending ANY money.

Seriously, their net spend on players over the past 5 years is virtually nought. He has bought and sold at a profit and used the profits to buy more.

He (wenger) is a model manager in many ways. Apart from being French, obviously.

But he hasn't at all. He achieved all that WITH spending money.

He has achieved nothing but consistently finishing top 4 without spending money.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They wouldn't have beaten Barca at all. Even Real Madrid who spent 200-300 million on the world's best won't beat Barca on Saturday.

Look at the leg, if they had a good goal keeper they wouldn't have conceded Ibra's first. Messi's first shot despite its power was very close to the keeper, I imagine that could've been saved. Might have saved some of Messi's others too.
Two decent back up centre halves, wouldn't have had to move Song back or risk Gallas. In the second leg wouldn't have conceded the first goal, or Messi's third.
Tevez over both legs would've almost certainly scored more than Bentdner never mind the extra defensive work he would do.

Don't listen to ITV, Barca weren't all that bar the first half of the first leg. The rest was just Arsenal falling apart.

-- Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:33 am --

You'd be even more as his chairman knowing he's achieved all that without spending ANY money.

Seriously, their net spend on players over the past 5 years is virtually nought. He has bought and sold at a profit and used the profits to buy more.

He (wenger) is a model manager in many ways. Apart from being French, obviously.

But he hasn't at all. He achieved all that WITH spending money.

He has achieved nothing but consistently finishing top 4 without spending money.

You make a fair point. But still - the standard of football they play today, with no money spent in 4 years, is impressive. Silverware or no silverware.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

I totally respect Arsenal as a club and as a set of fans. They've won titles in every decade since the dinosaurs were around i think and they have always had a lot of fans that travel with them in numbers all over the place!

But they, not all, have a problem with Wenger and i cannot understand how!

He's proven that he can win titles himself for the club and assembled a team that didn't lose a single league game all season for them in 2003! Recently they have been extra tight on the purse strings as they've had to pay out and go into some debt on that lovely new stadium; and thus have relied on Wengers excellent coaching and a hell of a lot of young players to get them through without shelling out on players that would have needed to come in to replace what has gone! None of these players are yet in their prime, not even Fabregas, yet they are almost good enough to win the Premier League (not 'ship as i'm tired of everyone saying in the whole world - it's not been the Premiership for years now yet even the most established and experienced pundits and media men still say it!) and may still win it this season!

How is that something to moan about? I think it's actually remarkabe what he's doing, and with a little bit more luck with injuries, let these youngsters get into their mid-twenties, do sign a few players here and there (which i can see him doing, and has already done - Arshavin, Eduardo, Nasri etc!) and they will be along with Chelsea our main title threat in the next 5-10 years!

Jesus, 6 years without a trophy, imagine that!!!

 

[MIKEYP]

Just seen that prick winterburn on SSN saying they have made progress!! How the feck can he justify that statement?They have won nothing for years.If anything they have stood still as others have progressed.Dont be fooled into thinking anything else.

 

[Damocles]

Using that logic, you could say that City haven't made any progress in the last two years because we haven't won anything.

 

[Citizen Green]

Using that logic, you could say that City haven't made any progress in the last two years because we haven't won anything.

Exactly, Arsenal are one of the luckiest club's in world football to have Wenger. One thing's for sure, if they don't won't him there would be a long long list of top clubs queing up for his services.

 

[The Pink Panther]

let these youngsters get into their mid-twenties, do sign a few players here and there (which i can see him doing, and has already done - Arshavin, Eduardo, Nasri etc!) and they will be along with Chelsea our main title threat in the next 5-10 years!

Arsenal remind me of Leeds under O'Leary when they had Bower, Kewell, Woodgate etc.
O'Leary kept telling the media after a poor result that they were a young team and still learning. That Leeds squad went on to win f*ck all.
Well at some point young players have to step up and become men. I don't think the likes of Bendtner, Nasri, Eboue ever will.

 

[Damocles]

Kewell went on to win the CL with Liverpool.
Woodgate played for Real Madrid.
Ferdinand is current England captain, and has won the league and CL several times.

Not the best example ever given really.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Kewell went on to win the CL with Liverpool.
Woodgate played for Real Madrid.
Ferdinand is current England captain, and has won the league and CL several times.

Not the best example ever given really.

What did Leeds win?

 

[Nascent Blues]

No, he's a stubborn bastard who would have had a minimum of an extra 5 trophies than he has done in the last 5 barren years if he just spent a little bit of the money that is available to him.

Agree 100%. There are two ways of looking at this in my opinion. First of all, if he has not had any money to spend over the last 5 years (club always ending up in the black) then to stay in the top 4 is in itself an amazing achievement and he deserves credit. On the other hand, if his chairman has over the last 5 years has said to him 'Look Wenger me boy, break the wage structure and buy some fucking players so we can start winning some trophies again. Let me worry about the money son,' and he still hasn't spent anything then, in my opinion, he's a fucking mug.