Ilkay Gundogan - 2018/19 performances

[dennishasdoneit]

Agree with you.

When we signed him I thought he would be the best midfielder in the league. He used to run games from deep, keeping possession and playing great attacking passes. He seemed to be all over the pitch. Whether injuries have been his demise I don't know but he hasn't been that player and De Bruyne fortunately has become the best in the league.

He seems to excel when a game is won or against lesser opposition. In any tough game though you wouldn't want him starting and that's why unless something changes we should look to replace him.

Injuries have definitely taken the edge off Gundogans game.imo.
And that is understandable .They were not small injuries.they were damaging knee injuries,bound to play on a players mind when he is playing centre mid in the sometimes brutal premier league.
I have to say,i think the player is a fine Footballer,even tho it irritates me that he is yet another block to Fodens path to regular 1st team football..Gundog ,in his hey day,was everything Pep demanded of a central midfield player..and lets not forget..he bossed Barcelona in the champs league at the etihad...i just think we have not really seen ,consistently ,the player Pep wanted.His first signing.that says a lot,but he was already injured..i think at the time we signed him..or had just come back from a serious knee injury........then picked up another serious knee injury.it has affected both his demeanour (not always biting into challenges) and his mobility....but as i say..all understandable .i,m glad he is around our squad,but i dont think the manager has now,the player he thought he signed.
If that makes sense.

 

[mosssideblue]

Injuries have definitely taken the edge off Gundogans game.imo.
And that is understandable .They were not small injuries.they were damaging knee injuries,bound to play on a players mind when he is playing centre mid in the sometimes brutal premier league.
I have to say,i think the player is a fine Footballer,even tho it irritates me that he is yet another block to Fodens path to regular 1st team football..Gundog ,in his hey day,was everything Pep demanded of a central midfield player..and lets not forget..he bossed Barcelona in the champs league at the etihad...i just think we have not really seen ,consistently ,the player Pep wanted.His first signing.that says a lot,but he was already injured..i think at the time we signed him..or had just come back from a serious knee injury........then picked up another serious knee injury.it has affected both his demeanour (not always biting into challenges) and his mobility....but as i say..all understandable .i,m glad he is around our squad,but i dont think the manager has now,the player he thought he signed.
If that makes sense.

What your effectively saying is, is we didn't have Gundog, Foden would be promoted -I personally think if it were not Gundog, it would be someone else brought in and Foden would be not better/worse off

 

[dennishasdoneit]

What your effectively saying is, is we didn't have Gundog, Foden would be promoted -I personally think if it were not Gundog, it would be someone else brought in and Foden would be not better/worse off

Maybe.or,if someone else,ie de jong had been brought in,Gundogan would still be here,and Fodens 1st team chances chances would be even more remote.
Thats a side issue.what i am saying is that i have a lot of respect for Gundogan ,the fully fit version,as a sumpremely talented midfield player.

 

[supercity88]

Injuries have definitely taken the edge off Gundogans game.imo.
And that is understandable .They were not small injuries.they were damaging knee injuries,bound to play on a players mind when he is playing centre mid in the sometimes brutal premier league.
I have to say,i think the player is a fine Footballer,even tho it irritates me that he is yet another block to Fodens path to regular 1st team football..Gundog ,in his hey day,was everything Pep demanded of a central midfield player..and lets not forget..he bossed Barcelona in the champs league at the etihad...i just think we have not really seen ,consistently ,the player Pep wanted.His first signing.that says a lot,but he was already injured..i think at the time we signed him..or had just come back from a serious knee injury........then picked up another serious knee injury.it has affected both his demeanour (not always biting into challenges) and his mobility....but as i say..all understandable .i,m glad he is around our squad,but i dont think the manager has now,the player he thought he signed.
If that makes sense.

We got him at a knock down price because of injuries. He has turned out to be the player he cost and not the £50m player we were hoping he would recover to. Once a class act that could run a game against anyone he is now inconsistent and largely anonymous unless we play lesser opposition.

He still has huge quality and ability but we can't accept that without the mobility. The balance in our squad is lost when Fernandinho doesn't have a runner in there with him. Bernardo and De Bruyne cover so much ground. Gundogan just can't. Unfortunately, for me that means he has to go. Foden should be given a chance to develop or Pep should buy another player. I prefer the first option, as most would, but expect Pep to keep Gundogan instead. He always talks positively about him, even as a Fernandinho replacement.

 

[mosssideblue]

We got him at a knock down price because of injuries. He has turned out to be the player he cost and not the £50m player we were hoping he would recover to. Once a class act that could run a game against anyone he is now inconsistent and largely anonymous unless we play lesser opposition.

He still has huge quality and ability but we can't accept that without the mobility. The balance in our squad is lost when Fernandinho doesn't have a runner in there with him. Bernardo and De Bruyne cover so much ground. Gundogan just can't. Unfortunately, for me that means he has to go. Foden should be given a chance to develop or Pep should buy another player. I prefer the first option, as most would, but expect Pep to keep Gundogan instead. He always talks positively about him, even as a Fernandinho replacement.

He obviously brings to the table what Pep wants and not necessarily what fans think he should

 

[Easy]

The loss was confirmed in my head as soon as I saw Gundogan come on.

But I told myself come on Ilkay get this free kick at least on target, its in good range.....he hits the wall...

 

[domalino]

The loss was confirmed in my head as soon as I saw Gundogan come on.

But I told myself come on Ilkay get this free kick at least on target, its in good range.....he hits the wall...

You say that like hitting the wall is unusual on free kicks. The best free kick takers in the world have about a 5% success rate.

Getting it on target but safely into the keepers hands is useless, most pros could do that 100% of the time if the wanted, but to have a chance of scoring against a good keeper you have to balance power and accuracy to a point that's so difficult even the very best in the world get it wrong 19 times out of 20.

 

[Dax777]

You say that like hitting the wall is unusual on free kicks. The best free kick takers in the world have about a 5% success rate.

Getting it on target but safely into the keepers hands is useless, most pros could do that 100% of the time if the wanted, but to have a chance of scoring against a good keeper you have to balance power and accuracy to a point that's so difficult even the very best in the world get it wrong 19 times out of 20.

:)

 

[Easy]

You say that like hitting the wall is unusual on free kicks. The best free kick takers in the world have about a 5% success rate.

Getting it on target but safely into the keepers hands is useless, most pros could do that 100% of the time if the wanted, but to have a chance of scoring against a good keeper you have to balance power and accuracy to a point that's so difficult even the very best in the world get it wrong 19 times out of 20.

Hitting the wall instead of even testing an average at best keeper playing for a relegation candidate from good range in a game you are losing, possibly a game you concede the title in (at the time), yes for me it’s unusual. Sorry if I’m disappointed with his effort.

 

[mosssideblue]

Hitting the wall instead of even testing an average at best keeper playing for a relegation candidate from good range in a game you are losing, possibly a game you concede the title in (at the time), yes for me it’s unusual. Sorry if I’m disappointed with his effort.

If they were / are relegation candidates, bringing Ilky on would not have made any difference. Collectively, we were crap and got what we deserved