Illegal PL streaming - 11 years in prison for "gang" leader.

chesterbells said:
I agree with some of what you’ve said there, but don’t you see any virtue in the collective tv deal?

Do you think there would be any downsides to the competitive nature of the premier league, if every team was allowed to sell their own individual tv season ticket and keep their own profits? I can think of 2 clubs in particular who would be over the moon about that kind of a set up. Not sure about the other 18 though …
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It's the flexibility to choose that I'd like to see.

Pay for every game. Pay for one. Pay for all games with one particular team. Have special offers and 20, 40, 60 game top ups. Maybe it has to be based on the league games only as they're the only ones guaranteed.

It's inevitable that some teams are bigger draws, have bigger fanbases, so you have to protect against that somewhat by offering price equality. Same price to watch 38 Brighton games as it would be to watch 38 united games, eliminate the bargaining power of individual clubs in favour of agreeing a base rate based on making all games available and getting more viewers on board Vs the current model. But that's a risk, and one broadcasters don't need to take unfortunately, at the viewer's literal expense.
 
bluetonium said:
It's the flexibility to choose that I'd like to see.

Pay for every game. Pay for one. Pay for all games with one particular team. Have special offers and 20, 40, 60 game top ups. Maybe it has to be based on the league games only as they're the only ones guaranteed.

It's inevitable that some teams are bigger draws, have bigger fanbases, so you have to protect against that somewhat by offering price equality. Same price to watch 38 Brighton games as it would be to watch 38 united games, eliminate the bargaining power of individual clubs in favour of agreeing a base rate based on making all games available and getting more viewers on board Vs the current model. But that's a risk, and one broadcasters don't need to take unfortunately, at the viewer's literal expense.
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I know what you mean about flexibility, but even if Brighton and united both had same price for 38 games, thinking about UK and worldwide subscription numbers,
wouldn’t those profit differentials would be game over for the viability of a competitive PL? It’s the elephant in that room, and everyone in football realises it I suspect.
 
chesterbells said:
I know what you mean about flexibility, but even if Brighton and united both had same price for 38 games, thinking about UK and worldwide subscription numbers,
wouldn’t those profit differentials would be game over for the viability of a competitive PL? It’s the elephant in that room, and everyone in football realises it I suspect.
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Well yeah, as soon as you start allowing people to subscribe to individual clubs, you'll inevitably have clubs insisting on not sharing the money that their club brought in. Having said that, what you currently have in the UK is the football being used to coerce people into buying subscriptions to a load of other wank you don't want, like 200 channels of shite and an overpriced phone and broadband package. In America it's even worse. It was mooted a while back that the Premier League could stop having a broadcaster altogether and just sell the product direct to the customer, and they could charge a fraction of the cost of Sky.
 
A few years back my sky bill went to over 140 per month, enough was enough. Their pricing has risen exponentially since the start of the Premier league. If they hadn't have been so greedy iptv probably wouldn't have taken off and they'd still be getting my money.
 
tweety said:
A few years back my sky bill went to over 140 per month, enough was enough. Their pricing has risen exponentially since the start of the Premier league. If they hadn't have been so greedy iptv probably wouldn't have taken off and they'd still be getting my money.
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Same, they tried to take the piss out of me 12 months ago, they can fuck off.
 
Agree with a few other comments on here. For me this is just a symptom of the arcane and monopolistic business practices shown by Sports Broadcasters.

I don't think it's worth me getting into a moralistic debate on the ethics of piracy and personally I choose not to directly fund this kind of thing...

But what do they expect? Their business model has not changed one iota since the era of boxes and wires. All they've done is ramp up prices year after year after year. Now we live in a time where information and digital access has changed the way people live their lives in every conceivable way. Yet Sky and BT are still stuck in 1995.

It's all the more frustrating when there's the opportunity to offer affordable legal streaming platforms with flexible commercial arrangements which would be much higher quality. I'm absolutely sure if they did that they'd basically be printing money. They'd get multiples of the numbers of users they currently have. Who wouldn't pay a reasonable subscription or one-off fee to avoid having to surf dodgy unreliable streams and malware?

Some people say it's greed and they're not wrong. Yes they are greedy... but corporations of this size are also often totally clueless and into self-harming businesss practices because "that's the way it's always been done". The reluctance to open up this market will be yet another death knell to traditional media in 20-30 years. I know Gen Z well enough to get the strong inclination that they ain't buying your Sky Subscription Murdoch, sorry.

And the 3pm rule, while well-intentioned, is totally ineffective in this era - you simply cannot police it. It's like those stories about old laws like shooting a Welshman from Chester castle that they never got rid of, people just laugh about it and then go watch the game online. It's tragic, to be honest.
 
A few years ago 2 of my friends ended up in prison for jailbreaking SKY boxes, they would have got less time if they had killed someone while driving, all that will happen is the streaming sites will run though countries will no agreements with the USA, China probably, do not forget to use your VPN but not American ones.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Agree with a few other comments on here. For me this is just a symptom of the arcane and monopolistic business practices shown by Sports Broadcasters.

I don't think it's worth me getting into a moralistic debate on the ethics of piracy and personally I choose not to directly fund this kind of thing...

But what do they expect? Their business model has not changed one iota since the era of boxes and wires. All they've done is ramp up prices year after year after year. Now we live in a time where information and digital access has changed the way people live their lives in every conceivable way. Yet Sky and BT are still stuck in 1995.

It's all the more frustrating when there's the opportunity to offer affordable legal streaming platforms with flexible commercial arrangements which would be much higher quality. I'm absolutely sure if they did that they'd basically be printing money. They'd get multiples of the numbers of users they currently have. Who wouldn't pay a reasonable subscription or one-off fee to avoid having to surf dodgy unreliable streams and malware?

Some people say it's greed and they're not wrong. Yes they are greedy... but corporations of this size are also often totally clueless and into self-harming businesss practices because "that's the way it's always been done". The reluctance to open up this market will be yet another death knell to traditional media in 20-30 years. I know Gen Z well enough to get the strong inclination that they ain't buying your Sky Subscription Murdoch, sorry.

And the 3pm rule, while well-intentioned, is totally ineffective in this era - you simply cannot police it. It's like those stories about old laws like shooting a Welshman from Chester castle that they never got rid of, people just laugh about it and then go watch the game online. It's tragic, to be honest.
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Fantastic post. For many years, I was asleep and oblivious to the fact that Sky and BT are completely ripping off their customer base. It's probably only in the last 4-5 years that I've truly woken up, much of it down to the takeover of Sky by Comcast.

The Premier League could completely monopolise the broadcasting of their own television rights, and in so doing, make themselves and their member clubs even richer. They would also make the public a lot happier. A Premier League television app available for £10-£12-per-month in the UK and for a nominal amount in overseas countries effectively puts an end to piracy. Millions upon millions of people would subscribe who cannot afford Sky. A Netflix of the Premier League with all games live, features and interviews on all clubs, highlights and extended highlights is surely now the way to go.

Football broadcasting is currently operating like a cartel. The EFL rights are up for renewal and the only party to whom the EFL are talking is Sky. How can this be right? DAZN put far more money on the table and the EFL completely ignored their bid. The Premier League are the same - it'll be the same old bollocks for the next domestic rights package with Sky and BT hogging the show as the only party in town. Sky's hegemony has to end (the BT offering is purely managed opposition to create the illusion that it is not a monopoly). But it all starts to make sense when you discover that the Premier League has Sky representation on its board. The same Premier League board that has levelled 100+ charges against City. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and can only be ended by the Competition and Markets Authority and/or severe pressure being applied by the member clubs.
 
tweety said:
A few years back my sky bill went to over 140 per month, enough was enough. Their pricing has risen exponentially since the start of the Premier league. If they hadn't have been so greedy iptv probably wouldn't have taken off and they'd still be getting my money.
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140 quid a month? Must have loads of extras in for that. I use NowTV and pay £30/month which gets me all of the Sky games (and my lad watches the F1 on that as well) plus I get BTTV for free with my broadband package.
 
Hmmm so according to reports they found child porn on one of their computers,if that’s true then double or treble the cnuts sentence,but I’m slightly skeptical as it could be used to put across that those streaming football at affordable prices( yes it’s breaking the law)are all scumbags..
 
As a new customer, NowTV gives me all Sky Sports channels for £25 a month. The service is excellent and I’m happy to pay it.
 
tweety said:
A few years back my sky bill went to over 140 per month, enough was enough. Their pricing has risen exponentially since the start of the Premier league. If they hadn't have been so greedy iptv probably wouldn't have taken off and they'd still be getting my money.
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Fair enough, but there are lots of things including Sky I think are too expensive, so I don't buy those things. Doesn't mean I can then go and steal them.
 
MCFC Wirral said:
As a new customer, NowTV gives me all Sky Sports channels for £25 a month. The service is excellent and I’m happy to pay it.
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To me this is still way to expensive considering you get like 3 live games a week?

Something has to be done about the 3pm blackout imo - because at the moment, I cannot justify paying for the little live football that is actually on.
 
Fuck sky, Bt and any other **** who tries to hold customers hostage to mandatory rag/dip propaganda.

If people want to watch a stream, it’s got fuck all to do with right or wrong or the governments approach. I hope many more pop up. If you are a brainwashed lacky who thinks it’s wrong to have iptv as an alternative source for content then suck balls.

The sentence is ridiculous compared to the lenient time offenders spend in prison for actually hurting another human bean. What a load of crap. Shameful behaviour once again from the financial/legal dopes that run the country.
 
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