I'm a Hughes 'outer'

I think it's all been posted on threads by a number of people already and it's all going to sound like de ja vu for the most part. I'd say I'm Pro-Hughes. There's times I've wondered why and when I read posts on here when it hasn't gone so well I do agree with a lot of the things people point out as his short-comings. Right now we simply aren't good enough. Long term I think it could be a lot different.

Our squad has been bolstered by arrivals at a lot of cost. This works out both in favour and against Hughes. He's spent a reported £130m. That's an obscene amount of money and I don't think anyone has spent as much as us this season. On the downside of it, how have we not improved our league position from last year with adding so much to what was already a decent side? Yet, what he has brought in has definitely been a requirement or an improvement on what we had. You could also argue that of that £130m, £50m was for Jo and Robinho. £80m on the rest. It's still £130m but it sort of puts a little perspective on how he's got the rest of his buys. Kompany, DeJong, Given, Bridge, Bellamy, Zabaleta and SWP (forget Ben-Haim!!) are top buys and to get them all at a combined £80m is reasonable considering we have the cash to splash and everyone knows that. Hughes has bought well and he's done that at Blackburn too. Thaksin wasn't giving him any cash before ADUG came in so really to pick up Kompany, SWP, Robinho and then have 4 weeks in January to get the rest I think he did really well. His transfer dealings are definitely a positive point overall.

When Hughes was appointed I was NOT happy. I envisaged a side similar to Blackburn's recent bad-boy, hard-tackling and thuggishness all scrapping for an hard earned 3 points here and there. Granted we didn't have money then and Thaksin was steering the ship, but we still played some good football (got our only away win this season before we got rich) and at times this season we've been amazing to watch. I'd even go so far as to say that the grit of Blackburn I feared we'd be built on is something we lack a bit of. If he can get the balance of the flair and the solidness then we'd be a much better side. He's done it at Rovers and at Wales so it's within his capability to do it. Is it due to disharmony in the dressing room as to why we don't do it? I could never tell you that. I could tell you that what I've seen in photos and read on NMT's posts about training, there doesn't seem to be many sad faces out there.

There's been some major mistakes by players and the manager alike, but everyone at the club is on a learning curve with each other because there's been that many changes at our club over the past three years. We've had a change of owners, chairman, management and players. Despite all that, the team has performed well enough to be within a faint shout of Europa next year (not likely, but worth fighting for), reached the 1/4s of a competition we only qualified for because we were nice to other teams the year before, which was hardly surprising as I don't think we made a tackle back end of the penultimate season and given some teams some right drubbings. OK we've been really poor at times too.

We played 17 games in Europe on top of what is now nearly a full premier league season. If we were to be in the competition a season from next (fingers crossed) I'd expect us to be more wise to the teams we'd be playing and with a better squad to get us through all the games. We wouldn't be relying on the likes of Fernandes, who might be good enough then, to hold together a midfield in the club's biggest European fixture in 30 years.

There's been talk of his clueless tactics. Fair enough he's made some substitutions that have baffled everyone. I can't argue against that. I'd put it down to getting to know his players who he sees at training everyday. WHat might work on a training ground won't necessarily work in a real game. He seems to be trying to fit players into a system that don't quite fit and if he'd had some of the players he's got at his disposal available (Boj, Petrov and Johnson for a start) then some of the players who have had to put in shifts where we'd never put them wouldn't have probably been there.

Jo and Ben Haim didn't cut the mustard so he got shut of them. Maybe everyone doesn't agree with this, but I'm glad he showed them who is boss. We were told he had a spat with Elano yet everytime Elano's been on recently he's put in a performance. Maybe players are now starting to respond to the way he does things?

I could go on but they all conclude with the same outcome. I really think he needs to be assessed in a year's time. We've got the players we need to make the extra step up to challenge for Europe next year as long as we get some good additions in the Summer. To think we could have done it all this year was a big ask. I don't care how much money you throw at a team it won't instantly sort everything out that needs to be sorted out. Teams take time to build and, with those new faces and the basis we've started to develop this year, if we get it right away from home next year and keep our home form then we'll be attracting players and winning those fucking silver things (I think they're called trophies) as
we improve.
 
If we get rid of Hughes, who do we get to replace him ???, Ancelotti, "The Special One", Frank Rijkaard, any suggestions....
 
posted this in a different thread hughes out thread so might as well put it in this one as well

the main reasons i want him to stay are his signings. so far he has brought quality players in who seem to give their all every game. we have money and i think he will spend it well and on the right sort of players we need to progress. all his players have a determined attitude to do everything they can in every game and this is bringing out better performances and attitude in other players.

i agree some of his tactics and substitutions have been strange but consier this. so far this season he has used 30 different players, this indicates to me that he is unsure himself of what the best team is, maybe due to injuries like petrov (who was our main threat last year), johnson, bojinov and benjani being out altering the way we play and i imagine his favourite XI and because there has also been a need to make changes to keep some players happy. he needs to give sturridge games as he is in his last year of his contract but has a 21 year old ienexperienced brazilian with a big price tag to try out aswell. then add the impact of the takeover and the robinho effect that made us a big scalp for many teams even though we are not at the top 4 level. 4 new signings put straight into the first team in january, again no consistency in team selection as some are ineligible in europe, some get injured. quite a turbulent season and although i think the results have been poor (especially away) i have also seen us play very well with some of the best football ive seen since bernabia and berkovic. we have also never really given in like we did last year, no 6-0, and 8-1 losses instead 6-0 and 5-1 wins.

basically its been a long season where i imagine hughes has learnt a lot about our squad. he will know who he needs to sell and will hopefully bring in more quality like zaba, kompany, de jong, given, shaun. it takes time to build a team and i think there are a lot of positive signs.

i also dont buy completely into this hes got no track record. fair enough he has never won a the premiership but in the two jobs he has done he has improved the team and got them to perform beyond expectations. first getting close to qualification with wales (how close have they got since he left) and then consistently 7th with blackburn after taking over when they were in the relegation zone and since he left they are back in the dogfight. the next step in his managerial career is a club like ours that has the potential to break into the top 4 and he deserves a chance (more than 9 months to achieve this).

some fans say he isnt respected, maybe because we associate anything united as being evil, but he was repected enough as a player to have played for some huge clubs like barcelona and bayern and won a lot of honours even though he probably wasnt the best of players. if some of our players and fans dont respect someone with a track record like that then i suggest they are pretty stupid.
 
heatonmoorblue said:
i also dont buy completely into this hes got no track record. fair enough he has never won a the premiership but in the two jobs he has done he has improved the team and got them to perform beyond expectations. first getting close to qualification with wales (how close have they got since he left) and then consistently 7th with blackburn after taking over when they were in the relegation zone and since he left they are back in the dogfight. the next step in his managerial career is a club like ours that has the potential to break into the top 4 and he deserves a chance (more than 9 months to achieve this).

some fans say he isnt respected, maybe because we associate anything united as being evil, but he was repected enough as a player to have played for some huge clubs like barcelona and bayern and won a lot of honours even though he probably wasnt the best of players. if some of our players and fans dont respect someone with a track record like that then i suggest they are pretty stupid.

I don't think I've heard anyone say he isn't respected in the game. After a playing career like he had of course he is.

In his Blackburn career he got them to 15th/6th/10th/7th. Not bad at all, but not 'consistently 7th' ;-)
 
mr t said:
pissedagain said:
er he used to have black curly hair, he cant look at the camera when hes talking and it does not matter anyway because most people cant understand him
Glad it's not just me that can't tell what he's saying - I've started to record the post match interviews with him so that I can rewind them and listen to them again 2 or 3 times more.

On a serious note I think we played well last night against a team that will be playing Champions League football next year and if we can bury West Brom on Sunday and maybe get an away win - our away record is awful - under our belts and finish the season on a high then it's worth keeping him.

If we don't win on Sunday people will want him sacked Monday morning - that's a fact.

Oh without a doubt
 
Cheesy said:
heatonmoorblue said:
i also dont buy completely into this hes got no track record. fair enough he has never won a the premiership but in the two jobs he has done he has improved the team and got them to perform beyond expectations. first getting close to qualification with wales (how close have they got since he left) and then consistently 7th with blackburn after taking over when they were in the relegation zone and since he left they are back in the dogfight. the next step in his managerial career is a club like ours that has the potential to break into the top 4 and he deserves a chance (more than 9 months to achieve this).

some fans say he isnt respected, maybe because we associate anything united as being evil, but he was repected enough as a player to have played for some huge clubs like barcelona and bayern and won a lot of honours even though he probably wasnt the best of players. if some of our players and fans dont respect someone with a track record like that then i suggest they are pretty stupid.

I don't think I've heard anyone say he isn't respected in the game. After a playing career like he had of course he is.

In his Blackburn career he got them to 15th/6th/10th/7th. Not bad at all, but not 'consistently 7th' ;-)


fair do's picking me up on the consistently 7th i hadnt really checked the exact details but i could remenber he kept them up when they were in the relegation zone (i imagine that is the 15th position) and then he always seemed to finish above us even though i didnt really rate his teams.

just think its been a pretty crazy season and he deserves more time as i think there are signs of progress. at times we have been good, at times poor but i dont think football is as easy as spending 150 million in 6 months and getting instant success.
 

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